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From: tim.... on 16 Apr 2010 14:41 "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:82r1m7Ft3U15(a)mid.individual.net... > "tim...." <tims_new_home(a)yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like > they were saying: > >>>> Another grumble I have is the "dos and donts" regarding the >>>> photograph. Neutral expression, cream or grey background, no hat*, >>>> must be *this* size overall and the image of your head must be *that* >>>> size; and then you've got to sign in black ink and keep within the >>>> limits of the white box; which means my signature is going to look >>>> cramped. > >>> You're going to hate renewing your passport, then. > >> But other's a point for the passport - it's so that they can implement a >> system of machine authentication for immigration control [1] >> >> What possible circumstances are there where a machine will have to >> match you with the photo on you DL? >> >> [1] Coming soon to an airport near you, if it's not already there. > > The auto-recognition isn't against the photo (or even an encoded version > of it) - it's against other pre-provided biometric information. Irises, > in the case of Heathrow. Are you sure. I don't have a chip passport but mine was issued during the changeover period when some passports were issued with chips. Which you got was completely random and required no more information than the non chip one. Moving on, the new machines that they have installed at LGW say that they can be used by *anyone* (over 16/18?) who has a chip passport. There is no mention of the owner having to have some extra biometrics in the chip first. tim
From: Peter Twydell on 16 Apr 2010 15:32 In message <82qrehFgqlU1(a)mid.individual.net>, Bod <bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> writes >On 16/04/2010 10:57, Adrian wrote: >> Bod<bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were >> saying: >> >>> They go to all that 'overkill' with the photos on passports, but the >>> passports last 10 years. >> >> So do photocard driving licences. >> >>> In that time, a bloke's appearance can change dramatically. He could >>> have gone from having a full head of hair to completely bald and maybe >>> had grown a beard or moustache(or both). >> >> Are you arguing for changing passport photo with every shave or haircut? >> >> > > Just pointing out the over fussy criteria for a passport photo. > A photo that can become virtually indistinguishable in only a few >years, through the ageing process. > >Bod > > I had a passport photo taken when I first had a beard, at the age of 23. Shaved it off four months later and nobody at immigration in several European countries, the USA or Mexico said a word, until about two months before it expired ten years later. The chap at LHR said it didn't look a bit like me. Still let me in, though. -- Peter Ying tong iddle-i po!
From: Peter Twydell on 16 Apr 2010 15:34 In message <82r1m7Ft3U15(a)mid.individual.net>, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> writes >"tim...." <tims_new_home(a)yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like >they were saying: > >>>> Another grumble I have is the "dos and donts" regarding the >>>> photograph. Neutral expression, cream or grey background, no hat*, >>>> must be *this* size overall and the image of your head must be *that* >>>> size; and then you've got to sign in black ink and keep within the >>>> limits of the white box; which means my signature is going to look >>>> cramped. > >>> You're going to hate renewing your passport, then. > >> But other's a point for the passport - it's so that they can implement a >> system of machine authentication for immigration control [1] >> >> What possible circumstances are there where a machine will have to >> match you with the photo on you DL? >> >> [1] Coming soon to an airport near you, if it's not already there. > >The auto-recognition isn't against the photo (or even an encoded version >of it) - it's against other pre-provided biometric information. Irises, >in the case of Heathrow. So what would they do at ferry terminals such as Dover or Harwich? They can hardly expect all the occupants of a car to get out and look at the machine. -- Peter Ying tong iddle-i po!
From: Brimstone on 16 Apr 2010 15:54 "Peter Twydell" <Peter(a)twydell.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:52VZlRYDvLyLFwS8(a)twydell.demon.co.uk... > In message <82r1m7Ft3U15(a)mid.individual.net>, Adrian > <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> writes >>"tim...." <tims_new_home(a)yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like >>they were saying: >> >>>>> Another grumble I have is the "dos and donts" regarding the >>>>> photograph. Neutral expression, cream or grey background, no hat*, >>>>> must be *this* size overall and the image of your head must be *that* >>>>> size; and then you've got to sign in black ink and keep within the >>>>> limits of the white box; which means my signature is going to look >>>>> cramped. >> >>>> You're going to hate renewing your passport, then. >> >>> But other's a point for the passport - it's so that they can implement a >>> system of machine authentication for immigration control [1] >>> >>> What possible circumstances are there where a machine will have to >>> match you with the photo on you DL? >>> >>> [1] Coming soon to an airport near you, if it's not already there. >> >>The auto-recognition isn't against the photo (or even an encoded version >>of it) - it's against other pre-provided biometric information. Irises, >>in the case of Heathrow. > > So what would they do at ferry terminals such as Dover or Harwich? They > can hardly expect all the occupants of a car to get out and look at the > machine. Why not?
From: NM on 16 Apr 2010 17:25
On 16 Apr, 20:32, Peter Twydell <Pe...(a)twydell.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In message <82qrehFgq...(a)mid.individual.net>, Bod > <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> writes > > >On 16/04/2010 10:57, Adrian wrote: > >> Bod<bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > >> saying: > > >>> They go to all that 'overkill' with the photos on passports, but the > >>> passports last 10 years. > > >> So do photocard driving licences. > > >>> In that time, a bloke's appearance can change dramatically. He could > >>> have gone from having a full head of hair to completely bald and maybe > >>> had grown a beard or moustache(or both). > > >> Are you arguing for changing passport photo with every shave or haircut? > > > Just pointing out the over fussy criteria for a passport photo. > > A photo that can become virtually indistinguishable in only a few > >years, through the ageing process. > > >Bod > > I had a passport photo taken when I first had a beard, at the age of 23. > Shaved it off four months later and nobody at immigration in several > European countries, the USA or Mexico said a word, until about two > months before it expired ten years later. The chap at LHR said it didn't > look a bit like me. Still let me in, though. > -- > Peter > > Ying tong iddle-i po! I had a real problem in Turkey because I had shaved and I was bearded in the passport photo. |