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From: Mike P on 13 Jun 2010 06:55 On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:06:05 +0100, Ret. spouted forth: > DavidR wrote: >> "johannes" <johs(a)sizefi435335353tter.com> wrote >> >>> Because you can't see out of them. The MPV type window arrangement >>> feels claustrophobic; you can see straight ahead and through the side >>> windows, but the view at an angle is obscured by heavy pillars. Why >>> this backward step in car design? >> >> Because manufacturers are following a fashion that believes crash >> survival has higher priority than crash avoidance. >> >> As well as poor visibility, there is also a suggestion going round now >> that, with cars having recently bloated out so much in width, more >> crashes really are occuring. > > Yes - this 'up-sizing' in all sectors is very strange isn't it? It > seems that every time a new model comes out, the manfufacturer's boast > about how much extra space there is compared to the old model. 'Large > family cars' such as the Mondeo and Citroen C5 are now as big as the > next sector up were a few years ago. > It doesn't seem to occur to them that many people may want a car that is > small in physical size for easy manoeuvring. I was following a new Corsa yesterday. It was bloody enormous! Mike P
From: johannes on 13 Jun 2010 10:07 "Ret." wrote: > > DavidR wrote: > > "johannes" <johs(a)sizefi435335353tter.com> wrote > > > >> Because you can't see out of them. The MPV type window arrangement > >> feels claustrophobic; you can see straight ahead and through the > >> side windows, but the view at an angle is obscured by heavy pillars. > >> Why this backward step in car design? > > > > Because manufacturers are following a fashion that believes crash > > survival has higher priority than crash avoidance. > > > > As well as poor visibility, there is also a suggestion going round > > now that, with cars having recently bloated out so much in width, more > > crashes really are occuring. > > Yes - this 'up-sizing' in all sectors is very strange isn't it? It seems > that every time a new model comes out, the manfufacturer's boast about how > much extra space there is compared to the old model. > 'Large family cars' such as the Mondeo and Citroen C5 are now as big as the > next sector up were a few years ago. > It doesn't seem to occur to them that many people may want a car that is > small in physical size for easy manoeuvring. Never mind the size, I just wanna car that you don't need to steer all the time; the nice thing with a bigger car is that you can take your hands off the steering wheel and relax.
From: DavidR on 13 Jun 2010 12:44 "Gordon H" <Gordon_News(a)g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote > In message <87igpfFff8U1(a)mid.individual.net>, DavidR >> >>Because manufacturers are following a fashion that believes crash survival >>has higher priority than crash avoidance. >> >>As well as poor visibility, there is also a suggestion going round now >>that, >>with cars having recently bloated out so much in width, more crashes >>really >>are occuring. > So that's why I have had two starboard side scrapes in the last 12 months, > I thought it was lack of concentration. ;-) Eeh, when I were a lad, a nearby village high street had room for parking and two streams of traffic. Now, the parking is kept for traffic calming.
From: Zathras on 13 Jun 2010 15:54 On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:27:33 +0100, Stu <no(a)spam.com> wrote: >If there's one desirable aspect that modern cars have lost, for me, >it's character. Not entirely..try an Alfa. -- Z
From: Gordon H on 13 Jun 2010 15:55
In message <87kg86F1hcU1(a)mid.individual.net>, DavidR <curedham(a)4bidden.org.uk> writes >"Gordon H" <Gordon_News(a)g3snx.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote >> In message <87igpfFff8U1(a)mid.individual.net>, DavidR >>> >>>Because manufacturers are following a fashion that believes crash survival >>>has higher priority than crash avoidance. >>> >>>As well as poor visibility, there is also a suggestion going round now >>>that, >>>with cars having recently bloated out so much in width, more crashes >>>really >>>are occuring. > >> So that's why I have had two starboard side scrapes in the last 12 months, >> I thought it was lack of concentration. ;-) > >Eeh, when I were a lad, a nearby village high street had room for parking >and two streams of traffic. Now, the parking is kept for traffic calming. > And no overtaking. Them three lane roads was dead exciting, wasn't they? -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply |