NIP - speeding ticket when driver is not from UK
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From: Mike on 19 Apr 2007 11:20 On 19 Apr, 16:18, Mike <m...(a)thelodge1.karoo.co.uk> wrote: > On 19 Apr, 15:51, s...(a)italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote: > > > > > > > <dot...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello to all. > > > I have a situation where I got a NIP letter telling me a was speeding > > > at some place. I know that the driver at the time was a friend of mine > > > from Canada. I returned the letter providing his details, and now i've > > > received another letter asking for those details again plus this > > > statement: "a copy of the relevant Insurance certificate, authorising > > > this person to drive the vehicle, should also be attached for > > > information and verification." Can someone clarify whether I am > > > actually legally required to do this, as this wasn't mentioned in the > > > first letter and I also do not see it in the relevant Act (Road > > > Traffic Act 1988 section 172). All that is required is that I provide > > > information in order to identify the driver. I did that. I don't see > > > why I am being asked for more information. > > > I am told that if I do not do this within 7 days it "will result in a > > > report being submitted to the Procurator Fiscal for consideration of > > > further proceedings against yourself." > > > How serious is this statement? Do I have any legal arguments against > > > it? > > > > Many thanks for your help! > > > You may find that allowing an uninsured / unlicensed driver to drive > > your car gives you a far worse penalty than taking the hit for the > > speeding..... > > > If you *do* get points for an unlicened / uninsured driver, then expect > > to pay vastly inflated insurance premiums for the next 5 years. > > -- > > SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'www.italiancar.co.uk-Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark > > Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL > > BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Steve, > > I'm curious about this, isn't it the responsibility of the driver to > have insurance not the car owner. So for example, if I lent you my > car do I have to make sure you are insured - surely it's up to you? > > Mike- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Sorry, I sent this before Roger replied - you learn something every day! Mike
From: SteveH on 19 Apr 2007 11:22 Mike <mike(a)thelodge1.karoo.co.uk> wrote: > Steve, > > I'm curious about this, isn't it the responsibility of the driver to > have insurance not the car owner. So for example, if I lent you my > car do I have to make sure you are insured - surely it's up to you? If you're handing the keys over to someone to drive your car, you are legally required to ensure said driver has a license and adequate insurance cover. -- SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
From: Graculus on 19 Apr 2007 12:01 <dotmoc(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:1176992339.837480.181790(a)y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > I am told that if I do not do this within 7 days it "will result in a > report being submitted to the Procurator Fiscal for consideration of > further proceedings against yourself." > How serious is this statement? Do I have any legal arguments against > it? OT, but... You could always reply telling them their statement is of no value, due to its being grammatically incorrect (or at least timorous and inapt), assuming you have quoted it accurately. The Procurator Fiscal, being a lawyer, should know better. I refer to the poor use of the word "yourself": "myself. Except when it is used for emphasis [1] ('I'll do it myself') or reflexively ('I cut myself while shaving') myself is almost always timorous and inapt." - Bill Bryson in "Troublesome Words"
From: SteveH on 19 Apr 2007 12:41 <dotmoc(a)gmail.com> wrote: > My original question still stands...where does the law state that I > need to provide proof of insurance for a speeding ticket? Section 172 > of Road Traffic Act 1988 talks about identifying the driver. I did > that. Does it make any sense for me to call the number given on the > letter to ask them? Unless you're going to claim that he took the car without your consent, it's your responsibility to ensure he had qdequate insurance. -- SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
From: dotmoc on 19 Apr 2007 12:47
On 19 Apr, 17:41, s...(a)italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote: > <dot...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > My original question still stands...where does the law state that I > > need to provide proof of insurance for a speeding ticket? Section 172 > > of Road Traffic Act 1988 talks about identifying the driver. I did > > that. Does it make any sense for me to call the number given on the > > letter to ask them? > > Unless you're going to claim that he took the car without your consent, > it's your responsibility to ensure he had qdequate insurance. > -- > SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'www.italiancar.co.uk- Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark > Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL > BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # this is a speeding issue, not whether he was insured or not. I identified the driver...why is it expanding towards insurance. If they want more details about the driver, they need to contact him, right? |