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From: ChelseaTractorMan on 26 Apr 2010 07:45
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:32:08 +0100, Bod <bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:

>Proof that only 5 - 6% of accidents are caused by speeding?

I would think so, after all going "fast" does not generally result in
crashing, that happens when a vehicle moves to a position in the path
of another one. However, cars going slower tend to have lesser
accidents than "fast" ones or maybe can avoid any accident at all.
It's all about judgment, isn't it?

As a lot of speed cameras do not seem to be at danger points, I'm not
surprised there has been little difference. If the entire stock of
cameras were placed outside schools and enforced 20mph when school
open, I think you would get an effect.
--
Mike. .. .
Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: Nkosi (ama-ecosse) on 26 Apr 2010 07:54
On 26 Apr, 12:45, ChelseaTractorMan <mr.c.trac...(a)hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:32:08 +0100, Bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >Proof that only 5 - 6% of accidents are caused by speeding?
>
> I would think so, after all going "fast" does not generally result in
> crashing, that happens when a vehicle moves to a position in the path
> of another one. However, cars going slower tend to have lesser
> accidents than "fast" ones or maybe can avoid any accident at all.
> It's all about judgment, isn't it?
>
> As a lot of speed cameras do not seem to be at danger points, I'm not
> surprised there has been little difference. If the entire stock of
> cameras were placed outside schools and enforced 20mph when school
> open, I think you would get an effect.
> --
> Mike. .. .
> Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.

Yes except they would not get any tax oops I mean revenue, from them
would they.

Nkosi
From: ChelseaTractorMan on 26 Apr 2010 07:59
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:54:24 -0700 (PDT), "Nkosi (ama-ecosse)"
<minankosi(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

>Yes except they would not get any tax oops I mean revenue, from them
>would they.

with a few exceptions, they shouldn't now if drivers were actually
moderately observant, I think the number of points issued is
unfortunately the best case for saying drivers are not up choosing
their speed.
--
Mike. .. .
Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: Ret. on 26 Apr 2010 08:20
Bod wrote:
> Proof that only 5 - 6% of accidents are caused by speeding?
>
> Early days yet, but it shows that speed cameras were no more
> effective in preventing accidents than without them, at least in this
> instance.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/england/8636654.stm


I think that before anyone could come to that conclusion, it would have to
be demonstrated that drivers had changed their habits after the removal of
the cameras.

The plethora of cameras across the country - both mobile and static - have
now conditioned the majority of drivers to remaining within a few mph of the
limit. Removing a handful of cameras is unlikely to result in drivers
suddenly deciding to speed up.

Only if it could be shown that drivers in that area *had* speeded up because
of the removal of the cameras, and there was still no increase in accidents
after a year or two, could the conclusion drawn in the article be shown to
be correct.

--
Kev

From: OG on 27 Apr 2010 20:42

"ChelseaTractorMan" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:54:24 -0700 (PDT), "Nkosi (ama-ecosse)"
> <minankosi(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>Yes except they would not get any tax oops I mean revenue, from them
>>would they.
>
> with a few exceptions, they shouldn't now if drivers were actually
> moderately observant, I think the number of points issued is
> unfortunately the best case for saying drivers are not up choosing
> their speed.

I agree -
The the best case for saying drivers are not up choosing their speed is,
umm, other drivers.

On average, half of the drivers on the road will be below average in ability
But; on average, half of 'below average' drivers think that they are 'ABOVE
average', and would have no hesitation at choosing what speed to drive at.

Thank heavens for cameras on hazardous roads, eh!

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