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From: Brent on 21 Feb 2010 16:25
On 2010-02-21, John David Galt <jdg(a)diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote:

> Just as they did when they banned the incandescent light bulb and when they
> forced McDonalds to stop using recyclable styrofoam packaging, the green
> movement has scored an "own-goal" by defeating its own stated objectives.

Take another look at the "objectives". They have nothing to do with the
environment. The environment is simply their excuse. Every command and
control desire needs an excuse. The two oldest ones are the environment,
and safety.

From: Matthew Russotto on 22 Feb 2010 17:05
In article <hls5jr$42l$1(a)blue.rahul.net>,
John David Galt <jdg(a)diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote:
>
>Just as they did when they banned the incandescent light bulb and when they
>forced McDonalds to stop using recyclable styrofoam packaging, the green
>movement has scored an "own-goal" by defeating its own stated objectives.

The green movement isn't trying to reduce energy usage. They're
trying to make our lives worse. Hair-shirt environmentalism is what I
call it.

--
The problem with socialism is there's always
someone with less ability and more need.
From: AZ Nomad on 22 Feb 2010 17:21
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:05:37 -0600, Matthew Russotto <russotto(a)grace.speakeasy.net> wrote:
>In article <hls5jr$42l$1(a)blue.rahul.net>,
>John David Galt <jdg(a)diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote:
>>
>>Just as they did when they banned the incandescent light bulb and when they
>>forced McDonalds to stop using recyclable styrofoam packaging, the green
>>movement has scored an "own-goal" by defeating its own stated objectives.

>The green movement isn't trying to reduce energy usage. They're
>trying to make our lives worse. Hair-shirt environmentalism is what I
>call it.

You should move to china. They don't have any of that and the air is a lovely
brown, the rivers just like a sewage facility.
From: Matthew Russotto on 22 Feb 2010 17:52
In article <slrnho60rh.ibt.aznomad.3(a)ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net>,
AZ Nomad <aznomad.3(a)PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:05:37 -0600, Matthew Russotto <russotto(a)grace.speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>In article <hls5jr$42l$1(a)blue.rahul.net>,
>>John David Galt <jdg(a)diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>Just as they did when they banned the incandescent light bulb and when they
>>>forced McDonalds to stop using recyclable styrofoam packaging, the green
>>>movement has scored an "own-goal" by defeating its own stated objectives.
>
>>The green movement isn't trying to reduce energy usage. They're
>>trying to make our lives worse. Hair-shirt environmentalism is what I
>>call it.
>
>You should move to china. They don't have any of that and the air is a lovely
>brown, the rivers just like a sewage facility.

Ah, the false dichotomy rears its ugly head.

--
The problem with socialism is there's always
someone with less ability and more need.
From: Brent on 22 Feb 2010 18:37
On 2010-02-22, AZ Nomad <aznomad.3(a)PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:05:37 -0600, Matthew Russotto <russotto(a)grace.speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>In article <hls5jr$42l$1(a)blue.rahul.net>,
>>John David Galt <jdg(a)diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>Just as they did when they banned the incandescent light bulb and when they
>>>forced McDonalds to stop using recyclable styrofoam packaging, the green
>>>movement has scored an "own-goal" by defeating its own stated objectives.
>
>>The green movement isn't trying to reduce energy usage. They're
>>trying to make our lives worse. Hair-shirt environmentalism is what I
>>call it.
>
> You should move to china. They don't have any of that and the air is a lovely
> brown, the rivers just like a sewage facility.

The US government allows BP's refinery to intentionally dump their
wastes into the lake from which the drinking water for this area is
drawn. It just says 'how much'. How is China really any different except
in volume?

Also, what good will it do to limit CO2 in the USA? All that is going to
do is force what manufacturing that remains to relocate to places like
China.

Environmentalism is about control. It is a way through which to manage
all of society.

This is why there will not be a property-rights based way of eliminating
pollution. Companies like BP would have to pay to store or process their
waste instead of just dumping it into the water supply. When everyone's
limit is zero or close to it, there's no role for the social planners
and control freaks.

Moving from waste products to CO2, to energy, gives even more control.

I'll state again. Cheap zero-point energy to run everything, to make
everyone on the planet have limitless energy could be found tomorrow and
the envrionmentalists will find a reason to oppose it.



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