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From: Harry K on 20 Jul 2007 09:18
On Jul 19, 9:45 pm, russo...(a)grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto)
wrote:
> In article <5sc0a3tdef1psjg8q1vhf6399rh44me...(a)4ax.com>,
> Scott en Aztlán <newsgroup> wrote:
>
>
>
> >>Yes, they are.
>
> >I probably wouldn't mind if people refused to wear seat belts. Like
> >motorcycle helmets, not wearing them tends to be a self-curing
> >problem. However, the costs associated with your "rescue" and medical
> >care are borne by the rest of us who DO take proper precautions, and I
> >find that very objectionable.
>
> Then object to those imposing the costs. Once such costs become a
> valid reason for restricting activities, there is no limit on what can
> be restricted.

??? Somebody doesn't wear a belt, ejects, major injuries and you
expect the rescue units and medical facilities not to charge for their
time/equipment? Weird.

Harry K

From: Harry K on 20 Jul 2007 09:25
On Jul 20, 1:48 am, Peter Lawrence <hummb...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote:
>
> > "Matthew T. Russotto" <russo...(a)grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
> >news:mMSdnay82-YJtz3bnZ2dnUVZ_vihnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net...
> >> In article <rzRni.23422$Rw1.19...(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
> >> Peter Lawrence <hummb...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I really never understood why many people prefer driving without using
> >>> their seat belt. Modern car seat belts are not uncomfortable to use
>
> >> Yes, they are.
>
> > Actually, they aren't that comfortable but... many vehicles do have a
> > seatbelt height adjustment to adjust the shoulder belt over the shoulder
> > instead of touching the side of the neck, and a relatively inexpensive
> > seatbelt shoulder pad makes the shoulder belt more comfortable over the
> > shoulder when driving for longer than 30 minutes.
>
> I didn't mean to imply that seat belts are comfortable, but that modern
> ones (when probably adjusted) shouldn't cause anyone a great deal of
> discomfort. When probably adjusted, the seat and shoulder belt should
> keep you relatively snug against your seat without causing any sort of
> pain or discomfort. And the benefits of using them should be obvious to
> any intelligent driver.
>
> Maybe it's because I remember how uncomfortable the original seat and
> shoulder belts of the '60's and '70's could be, that I appreciate the
> relative comfort of the modern ones. It shouldn't be a big deal to use
> them for most people.
>
> - Peter

I, personally, find them quit comfortable. But then I am 6ft tall and
only mildly overweight. I can see where a shorter person might have a
problem with the sholder belt riding on the neck.

If they operate properly, they do not unduly restrict movement in the
cabin. Lean forward and it allows, lean to the side the same. Back
to driving position and it retracts. If anything I wish it would
tighten up a bit more when returning to position.

I have been using them since 1959 (1959 Volvo) and won't move a
vehicle out of my drive without wearing one. Won't even shift one a
block or two in town either since getting a warning a few years ago.

Harry K









From: bernard farquart on 20 Jul 2007 12:05

"Scott en Aztl�n" <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:66e1a3his72ugjmbfidu6k8n2o1rckf1fr(a)4ax.com...
> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet(a)gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:
>
>>How about wearing a helmet while driving a car, then? Apparently the
>>statistics for head injuries are pretty similar for car and motorcycle
>>drivers.
>
> Cite?
> --

"Apparently", that means you can just tell it's true.

:)



From: Ad absurdum per aspera on 20 Jul 2007 17:52

> Just out of curiosity, what sort of medical condition would prevent
> you from wearing a seat belt?

Recent surgery to the abdomen or torso? External medical appliance in
those areas? Burn recovery? Buncha broken ribs or collarbone?

Anyway, whether the original poster can talk his way out of *getting*
a ticket depends on the cop. You might carry a copy of the
appropriate statute or regulation to help make your side more
persuasive. If the cop is in a bad mood, or the traffic division in
his department is on a tear about seat belts (which in their defense
is hardly the worst thing they could emphasize), or having pulled you
over he just can't let it go without writing you up for *something*,
then you'll get the ticket.

If there is an official state form for this medical exemption, rather
than just a note on your doctor's letterhead, then you should
definitely use it. If all you have is a note, he has no way of
knowing whether you just ginned it up on the computer yourself, and
may not be able or willing to get on the phone and vet it himself at
the side of the road.

If the medical condition is something obvious and painful looking in a
seat belt related part of the body, that might bolster your argument
too.

If you get the ticket anyway, a genuine medical exemption (again, be
prepared to quote chapter and verse from the part of the vehicle code
that allows such exemptions) should be a perfectly good defense in
court, though blowing part of your day there (perhaps repeatedly)
might not be amusing.

Best of luck on your recovery (and try not to have accidents while
doing it!),
--Joe

From: John David Galt on 20 Jul 2007 19:34
The Real Bev wrote:
> How about wearing a helmet while driving a car, then? Apparently the
> statistics for head injuries are pretty similar for car and motorcycle
> drivers.

I would wear one if it were safely possible. But around here the police
regard either a helmet or a racing harness as proof of intent to race on
the streets, and they will arrest you and impound your car.
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