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From: Coach on 31 Jul 2010 19:42 On Aug 1, 9:29 am, "|-|ercules" <radgray...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Don't get me wrong driving around a new town with a navigator lets you enjoy the ride > knowing where you're going, it's like going from using a walking cane to seeing. > > But I bought a navman and it was a pain, I paid an extra $100 for live traffic updates but > never saw any. All I wanted was map view to come on when I turned on the ignition and > turn off when I took out my keys. > > Nope, half the time you had to agree to 5 pages of terms and conditions while you're driving > down your street, answering "Are you driving now or are you the passenger?" click passenger... > had to manually turn it off on and on and click click click click click click just to see the map view! > fcking daft thing. > > I don't use it now because I bought it with a credit card so I assume the govt. can track me with it. They cause cancer too. Stick to the Melways instead.
From: Doug Jewell on 1 Aug 2010 01:55 |-|ercules wrote: > "Doug Jewell" <ask(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote >>> I don't use it now because I bought it with a credit card so I assume >>> the govt. can track me with it. >> Your paranoid mind can rest on this point. GPS satellite data is >> totally one way. The GPS tracking that you see on TV shows requires a >> second transmission link to work in the real world - eg mobile phone >> network. IE, the GPSr decodes the position signal, and then it >> transmits that position using the mobile network. Some of the >> bushwalkers GPS's use this technique to send a text message with your >> position and "OK" or "SEND HELP". But unless you have a special >> purpose device, (which your navman isn't), you don't have to worry >> about being tracked. >> The network of traffic cameras that are set up in brisbane on the >> other hand... >>> > > > I doubt it, if there is only a signal from the satellite to you then it > would > have to diffract a different signal at a trillion different angles. > Considering > 3D TV without glasses can only send different images to 9 different angles > I doubt that's how GPS works. There must be a radio transmitter on the > GPS, > which probably sends a serial number, and is probably logged by the > satellite. Nope GPS is nothing like 3D TV, and is totally 1 way communication. Your GPS does not send anything back. There are a couple of dozen satellites orbiting the earth, constantly sending out a relatively simple data stream, which basically includes the satellite's position and the time the satellite sent the data packet. By measuring the time it takes for the signal to reach the GPSr, it can determine it's distance from each satellite. With a signal from at least 3 satellites it is relatively simple mathematics to calculate the position. The mathematics used is not that much different to the way traditional surveyors used known reference points to determine location. The more satellites that are in view, the more accurate it can determine the position. > > I doubt the barcode at POS contained any serial number unique to each > navigator, and linked that your CC details, but a government agent could > have a close look at your GPS any time and get it. Once again, don't panic about POS barcodes. They identify the product type, not the individual product. And retailers don't store credit card details. So while the police, if they were so inclined, could find out from the bank that you made a purchase from Merchant A at this time, they don't know that you bought a GPS. Many merchants (especially high volume), would probably be hard pressed to match that purchase and time to the item purchased, and even less would have recorded the serial number of the item purchased. Finally, even _if_ they eventually did find out that you bought a GPS, and _if_ they managed to find out it's serial number, that ain't gonna help them a cracker, because there is absolutely nil communication back from the GPS. You can put your mind at rest, there is absolutely no way possible, that you can be tracked from a standard street GPS unit. I believe you live in Brisneyland - there is a network of traffic cameras that can track you if they felt so inclined, and it has just come out that they have been using public transport GO cards to track people. These things are real, GPS tracking of the general public isn't. > > Herc > -- What is the difference between a duck?
From: Scotty on 1 Aug 2010 02:06 "Doug Jewell" <ask(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote in message news:LImdnY-zEt_6kcjRnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au... (snipped) : You can put your mind at rest, there is absolutely no way : possible, that you can be tracked from a standard street GPS : unit. I believe you live in Brisneyland - there is a : network of traffic cameras that can track you if they felt : so inclined, and it has just come out that they have been : using public transport GO cards to track people. These : things are real, GPS tracking of the general public isn't. : > : > Herc : > Mobile phones on the other hand...... Also the use of GPS tracking devices are a simple 2 min install job if anyone was so inclined. It has been suggested that manufacturers install these on occasion during your servicing. Remove it next service time and get as much data as they wish right down to when you started your car, the max speeds at 20second intervals, your exact routes/ coordinates from the min in was installed until the min it was swapped to the next car. Data is used for the likes of how the cars driven compared to what needs servicing. They are quite accurate when plugged into the OBD (?) port of new cars. We used to use em on our company cars. Great tools. Looking at doing so on the current lot as well. They are only no good if your up to no good! : : -- : What is the difference between a duck?
From: |-|ercules on 1 Aug 2010 02:26 "Toby" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote ... > On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 15:55:37 +1000, Doug Jewell posited in: > >> These >> things are real, GPS tracking of the general public isn't. thanks, I thought it might be using a star plot type system but thought that would require a directional antenna. > > Yet. > Methinks they'll be using the soon-to-be-cleared VHS TV Bands for people > tracking. Even works in buildings. > How? > They'll chip money, cards etc for RFID. > All that's needed is a 'network' of RFID detectors - you and guess who's > going to pay for that. > Oh, and If you walk about nekid, they already have the laws in place to > nail you using common-or-garden-variety CCTV. Live, of course - monitored > by trustworthy contractors. Or less likely, by far less trustworthy Pigs. This is 99.9% superfluous compared to the secret Big Brother systems already 100% functional everywhere. Shame none of you believe I'm the truman, you could easily witness the technology on sight, like 5,000 Australians in Townsville and Caloundra already have. HINT: Don't even litter a chewing gum packet. The crime is permanently recorded in your brain. Herc
From: hippo on 1 Aug 2010 02:44
|-|ercules wrote: > > "Toby" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote ... > > On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 15:55:37 +1000, Doug Jewell posited in: > > > >> These > >> things are real, GPS tracking of the general public isn't. > > thanks, I thought it might be using a star plot type system but thought that > would require a directional antenna. > > > > > > > Yet. > > Methinks they'll be using the soon-to-be-cleared VHS TV Bands for people > > tracking. Even works in buildings. > > How? > > They'll chip money, cards etc for RFID. > > All that's needed is a 'network' of RFID detectors - you and guess who's > > going to pay for that. > > Oh, and If you walk about nekid, they already have the laws in place to > > nail you using common-or-garden-variety CCTV. Live, of course - monitored > > by trustworthy contractors. Or less likely, by far less trustworthy Pigs. > > > This is 99.9% superfluous compared to the secret Big Brother systems already > 100% functional everywhere. Shame none of you believe I'm the truman, you > could easily witness the technology on sight, like 5,000 Australians in Townsville > and Caloundra already have. > > HINT: Don't even litter a chewing gum packet. The crime is permanently recorded > in your brain. > > Herc > > > *Far* easier for them to track you via your internet connection, yet here you are, still posting. The mind boggles! :) -- Posted at www.usenet.com.au |