From: Steve on 3 Jan 2008 12:22
C. E. White wrote:
>>Off topic, but some of the people around here feed commercial chicken
>>litter to cattle. And, there doesnt seem to be a law against it. I would
>>far prefer to feed them sour mash solids that chicken feces.
> Chickens have horribly inefficient digestive systems comapred to cows.
Well, they are just surviving dinosaurs after all.... ;-)
> Having raised cattle all my life, I don't think chicken s*&t is the worst
> thing cows eat.
Chicken $#1t is pretty nasty, given some of the diseases (no, not "bird
flu just ordinary bacterial stuff) that they can carry.
> However, I think the best use for chicken litter is as fertilizer. It is
> good stuff! Years ago my Father applied a quanity to one of our poorer
> fields and you can still tell the difference.
It can actually be TOO "good." You can burn some crops pretty badly with
chicken manure, especially if it hasn't had a chance to compost
From: z on 4 Jan 2008 13:54
On Dec 20 2007, 1:21 pm, clifto <cli...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Paul wrote:
> > My car gets 10% less mileage on 10% ethanol.
> Funny you should say. "They" say that won't happen, and yet the same thing
> happens in my case with two cars. Haven't had real gasoline in the third
> car yet. so can't say if it's unanimous.
> Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
> Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
> as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.
Well, of course it ought to. maybe not 10% less, but 5% less.
Certainly, people who use 85% ethanol report about a 33% drop in
mileage, which is what you'd expect from 85% of your fuel suddenly
giving you half as much energy.
From: z on 4 Jan 2008 14:32
On Dec 21 2007, 10:13 am, N8N <njna...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 9:17 am, klu...(a)panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> > phaeton <blahbleh...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >I hear a lot of people up in arms about the addition of Ethanol to
> > >gasoline. Many places do it just in the wintertime, others do it year
> > >round. One of the gas stations in my little town even has a bunch of
> > >"100% REAL GAS - NO ETHANOL" signs up all over the place. With all
> > >the whining and crying about "people putting water in the gas[sic]",
> > >I've honestly never noticed a difference in operation or efficiency.
> > 10% ethanol is good. Yes, it slightly reduces the total energy of
> > combustion a little, but it prevents knocking and it's much less
> > hazardous than the other popular anti-knock additives like MTBE and lead..
> > >My guess is that Ethanol earned a bad reputation (1970s, maybe?) when
> > >cars used to be carbureted and timing advanced with mechanical weights
> > >and such. However, modern cars with EFI and its associated arsenal of
> > >sensors simply adapt to whatever difference it makes, but many people
> > >are still stuck with the 'ethanol sucks' mentality. True?
> > Also, realize that ethanol dissolves a lot of rubber formulations. Run
> > pure ethanol in your car and you'll find hoses and seals going bad right
> > and left. A lot of people had that experience trying pure ethanol back
> > in the seventies, too. Of course, back then it wasn't quite so bad since
> > there weren't anywhere near as many hoses and seals to replace....
> > --scott
> > --
> > "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
> Not to mention the fuel pump diaphragm, if you still have a mechanical
> fuel pump.
> Other comments about having to rejet the carb are correct, and even so
> there will still be a slight drop in MPG. I also am not sold on
> ethanol, at least corn-based ethanol, being an eventual renewable
> replacement for gasoline.
Well, for one thing, we can't possibly make nearly enough of it.
From: clifto on 5 Jan 2008 13:39
> On Dec 21 2007, 10:13�am, N8N <njna...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Other comments about having to rejet the carb are correct, and even so
>> there will still be a slight drop in MPG. �I also am not sold on
>> ethanol, at least corn-based ethanol, being an eventual renewable
>> replacement for gasoline.
> Well, for one thing, we can't possibly make nearly enough of it.
Sure we can. We just can't possibly make enough of it and still eat.
Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.