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From: Steve on 3 Jan 2008 12:22 C. E. White wrote: >> >>Off topic, but some of the people around here feed commercial chicken >>house >>litter to cattle. And, there doesnt seem to be a law against it. I would >>far prefer to feed them sour mash solids that chicken feces. > > > Chickens have horribly inefficient digestive systems comapred to cows. Well, they are just surviving dinosaurs after all.... ;-) > Having raised cattle all my life, I don't think chicken s*&t is the worst > thing cows eat. Chicken $#1t is pretty nasty, given some of the diseases (no, not "bird flu just ordinary bacterial stuff) that they can carry. > > However, I think the best use for chicken litter is as fertilizer. It is > good stuff! Years ago my Father applied a quanity to one of our poorer > fields and you can still tell the difference. It can actually be TOO "good." You can burn some crops pretty badly with chicken manure, especially if it hasn't had a chance to compost sufficiently.
From: z on 4 Jan 2008 13:54 On Dec 20 2007, 1:21 pm, clifto <cli...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Paul wrote: > > My car gets 10% less mileage on 10% ethanol. > > Funny you should say. "They" say that won't happen, and yet the same thing > happens in my case with two cars. Haven't had real gasoline in the third > car yet. so can't say if it's unanimous. > > -- > Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali, > Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause > as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year. Well, of course it ought to. maybe not 10% less, but 5% less. Certainly, people who use 85% ethanol report about a 33% drop in mileage, which is what you'd expect from 85% of your fuel suddenly giving you half as much energy.
From: z on 4 Jan 2008 14:32 On Dec 21 2007, 10:13 am, N8N <njna...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 20, 9:17 am, klu...(a)panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: > > > > > > > phaeton <blahbleh...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >I hear a lot of people up in arms about the addition of Ethanol to > > >gasoline. Many places do it just in the wintertime, others do it year > > >round. One of the gas stations in my little town even has a bunch of > > >"100% REAL GAS - NO ETHANOL" signs up all over the place. With all > > >the whining and crying about "people putting water in the gas[sic]", > > >I've honestly never noticed a difference in operation or efficiency. > > > 10% ethanol is good. Yes, it slightly reduces the total energy of > > combustion a little, but it prevents knocking and it's much less > > hazardous than the other popular anti-knock additives like MTBE and lead.. > > > >My guess is that Ethanol earned a bad reputation (1970s, maybe?) when > > >cars used to be carbureted and timing advanced with mechanical weights > > >and such. However, modern cars with EFI and its associated arsenal of > > >sensors simply adapt to whatever difference it makes, but many people > > >are still stuck with the 'ethanol sucks' mentality. True? > > > Also, realize that ethanol dissolves a lot of rubber formulations. Run > > pure ethanol in your car and you'll find hoses and seals going bad right > > and left. A lot of people had that experience trying pure ethanol back > > in the seventies, too. Of course, back then it wasn't quite so bad since > > there weren't anywhere near as many hoses and seals to replace.... > > --scott > > -- > > "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > > Not to mention the fuel pump diaphragm, if you still have a mechanical > fuel pump. > > Other comments about having to rejet the carb are correct, and even so > there will still be a slight drop in MPG. I also am not sold on > ethanol, at least corn-based ethanol, being an eventual renewable > replacement for gasoline. Well, for one thing, we can't possibly make nearly enough of it.
From: clifto on 5 Jan 2008 13:39
z wrote: > On Dec 21 2007, 10:13�am, N8N <njna...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> Other comments about having to rejet the carb are correct, and even so >> there will still be a slight drop in MPG. �I also am not sold on >> ethanol, at least corn-based ethanol, being an eventual renewable >> replacement for gasoline. > > Well, for one thing, we can't possibly make nearly enough of it. Sure we can. We just can't possibly make enough of it and still eat. -- Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali, Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year. |