From: AZ Nomad on
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:03:28 -0500, hls <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote:

>"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.3(a)PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:06:47 -0500, hls <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote:
>>>If Obama wants to incentivate business and hire people, wonder why he
>>>doesnt commission a group to locate the strategic areas in the USA where
>>>hydroelectric projects would be suitable and efficient to servics the
>>>grids, and then BUILD them. We need the water, and we need the "juice".
>> Name one location where it's cost effective and hasn't been done
>> already.

>Dont know.. Let Obama figure that out. He has pissed away so much
>money already, we could use his monetary urine as a power source.

The money has gone mostly into the looted financial system. You can't
blame that on him. I suppose you'd find economic collapse preferable.
Doing nothing is something the republicans are really really good at.

As the fire is burning and timbers are coming down: "Maybe we should do
more nothing?"
From: Roger Blake on
On 2010-08-11, AZ Nomad <aznomad.3(a)PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
> blame that on him. I suppose you'd find economic collapse preferable.

Ah, so you have managed to cross the Einstein-Rosen bridge to view ana
lternate universe where this happened. Was Elvis alive there as well?

On the other hand, I suppose it is a good thing that 0bama gave
trillions to the banksters. Why, if he had not done so, unemployment
might have gone over 8 percent!

Roger Blake
(Change "invalid" to "com" for email. Google Groups killfiled due to spam.)
"0bama snoozed while oil oozed."
From: APLer on
Clive <clive(a)> wrote in

> In message <Xns9DD0429E09542chuck(a)>, chuckcar <chuck(a)>
> writes
>> I still prefer the idea of a hydrogen internal combusion engine
>>better, but such things as removing the ammonia produced may be a
>>problem I suppose.
> Where does the ammonia come from?

Nitrogen and Hydrogen of course.

From: Agnasty Shagnasty on

"Michelle Steiner" <michelle(a)> wrote in message
> In article <MPG.26cb76f71bed6181989694(a)>,
> Bob Cooper <bc(a)> wrote:
>> From what little I've read the Prius has no issue with cross-country.
> I've driven a Prius from the Phoenix area to San Francisco and back,
> stopping only for fuel and food. It's about an 800 mile drive from my
> house.
You mean you can drive a Prius from Phoenix to San Francisco and back?
Amazing. It's a wonder what they can do with modern vehicles today.

On two occasions, I drove a vehicle from Tucson Arizona to Seattle
Washington! Would you believe that the vehicle was in good shape once I got

I wonder if anyone has tried to drive from Los Angeles to New York?

From: SMS on
On 08/08/10 9:16 PM, john wrote:
> "So you think the Chevrolet Volt electric car will cost too much? Tell
> that to the Chevy dealer who has already decided to charge $20,000
> over the sticker price.
> That's right. Months before the first Volt lands on a showroom floor,
> there's enough excitement that the dealer -- who earns a living
> calculating what the market will bear -- is charging nearly 50% more
> than General Motors' asking price for the revolutionary car.
> If that's any yardstick, the 2011 Volt is drastically underpriced.
> Supply and demand, baby. It's the free enterprise system."
> Read more: Mark Phelan: Dealers' extra charge for Volt is simply
> supply and demand | | Detroit Free Press

The Volt would be fairly priced at around $25K. I would not be surprised
to see electric cars with their own ICE powered charger available for
around that price within five years. There's nothing difficult about it.

For under $5000 you can convert a Prius to a plug-in hybrid with about a
30 mile range (but only at lower speeds). It's a rather clever approach,
simply using the additional batteries to charge the factory traction
battery. For $13,000 you can get 40 miles of range up to 52 mph (it
requires a suspension upgrade, included in the price).

Long term, it'd be good to see a modular system where you can choose to
have the trunk full of batteries for sufficent commute range and higher
speed for commuting, while removing the battery packs for more cargo
space for longer trips. The problem with the hybrid Camry is that the
Camry's otherwise cavernous trunk is tiny because of the battery packs.