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From: hippo on 26 Jul 2010 22:10 Crash Lander wrote: > > On Jul 27, 11:44?am, PHATRS <stoptryingt...(a)m.me> wrote: > > On 27/07/10 10:33, Crash Lander wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 26, 10:43 pm, Doug Jewell<a...(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> ?wrote: > > >> Crash Lander wrote: > > >>> Hi guys. > > >>> My 88 tarago RV 2.2L manual won't start. > > >>> It's got good spark. It turns over as if it would start, but never > > >>> fires. > > >>> The RACV guy sprayed some carby primer stuff into the intake, and said > > >>> if it was not getting fuel, it would at least fire on this stuff, and > > >>> it didn't so he's ruled out a fuel issue as well. > > >>> Any other suggestions? Ignition coil maybe? Aren't the coils in these > > >>> things integrated into the distributor? Would the plugs still be > > >>> getting spark if it was the coil? I'm a bit stumped on this one. > > > > >> When you say the plugs have spark, how have you tested? If > > >> you just removed the plug and looked for a spark, that's not > > >> a real reliable test. It doesn't take much to make a spark > > >> travel half a millimetre at atmospheric pressure, so a dud > > >> coil or other ignition component will often be able to make > > >> a spark on a removed plug, but can't make a spark under > > >> compression. A more reliable test is to remove the lead from > > >> the plug, pull back the hood, and look for a good long spark > > >> from the end of the lead to the chassis - generally > > >> somewhere around half an inch (be careful you don't get a > > >> wallop.) > > > > >>> Crash Lander > > > > >> -- > > >> What is the difference between a duck? > > > > > Pulled the lead off a spark plug, inserted a new plug and crancked. > > > Good strong spark was seen. > > > Problem is sorted now it seems anyway. They called me this morning. > > > "Mechanic": Um, your Tarago started this morning! > > > Me: What? All by itself? > > > "Mechanic": We load tested the battery, and it failed. We put a new > > > battery in it and it started straight away! > > > > > He claims that when a bettery has low voltage, the engine may turn > > > over, but there may not be enough voltage to run everything > > > adequately, such as all the injectors and everything else that needs > > > power to get the engine running. When asked to explain why it didn't > > > start when the racv roadside guy put his battery booster on it, he > > > said it was probably flooded. > > > Anyway. $59 for a new battery, and it starts. he did put a disclaimer > > > on it by saying that it's not 100% guaranteed that was the whole > > > problem, but at this point, it seems to have sorted it. he said see > > > how it goes for a few weeks, rather than throwing more money at it > > > just yet. > > > Fingers crossed. > > > Crash Lander > > > > Does that guy seriously call himself a mechanic?! > > > > A proper mechanic would have given you a list of things that you should > > get fixed, and would set you back the best part of a grand. > > > > That was certainly my experience with mechanics when I had old cars - > > every time they went in for a service (and I had no complaints about the > > car) they would ring to say I better fix x or y, or both, or it would > > break down any day now. And sometimes they would just do it without > > asking. Worst culprit was a BMW "specialist" who loved finding things > > wrong with Mum's 1975 BMW 3.0S at every service.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > and to clarify, it was $159 for the battery, not $59. I wish!! > Crash Lander > > If it all stays good, sounds like you've found somewhere worth going back to next time anyway. Cheers -- Posted at www.usenet.com.au
From: Doug Jewell on 26 Jul 2010 22:44 Crash Lander wrote: > On Jul 26, 10:43 pm, Doug Jewell <a...(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote: >> Crash Lander wrote: >>> Hi guys. >>> My 88 tarago RV 2.2L manual won't start. >>> It's got good spark. It turns over as if it would start, but never >>> fires. >>> The RACV guy sprayed some carby primer stuff into the intake, and said >>> if it was not getting fuel, it would at least fire on this stuff, and >>> it didn't so he's ruled out a fuel issue as well. >>> Any other suggestions? Ignition coil maybe? Aren't the coils in these >>> things integrated into the distributor? Would the plugs still be >>> getting spark if it was the coil? I'm a bit stumped on this one. >> When you say the plugs have spark, how have you tested? If >> you just removed the plug and looked for a spark, that's not >> a real reliable test. It doesn't take much to make a spark >> travel half a millimetre at atmospheric pressure, so a dud >> coil or other ignition component will often be able to make >> a spark on a removed plug, but can't make a spark under >> compression. A more reliable test is to remove the lead from >> the plug, pull back the hood, and look for a good long spark >> from the end of the lead to the chassis - generally >> somewhere around half an inch (be careful you don't get a >> wallop.) >> >>> Crash Lander >> -- >> What is the difference between a duck? > > Pulled the lead off a spark plug, inserted a new plug and crancked. > Good strong spark was seen. yeah, that method of testing is common, but unfortunately doesn't mean a lot. > Problem is sorted now it seems anyway. They called me this morning. > "Mechanic": Um, your Tarago started this morning! > Me: What? All by itself? > "Mechanic": We load tested the battery, and it failed. We put a new > battery in it and it started straight away! > > He claims that when a bettery has low voltage, the engine may turn > over, but there may not be enough voltage to run everything > adequately, such as all the injectors and everything else that needs > power to get the engine running. Glad to hear the issue is resolved - hopefully permanently. I'd be worried about there being some other intermittent fault though. I can understand that it may not have had enough juice to run everything once it was starting to go flat, but I assume it cranked strongly at first? If it was cranking strongly at first, then it had grunt under load. So there was some other reason why it couldn't start it at first. >When asked to explain why it didn't > start when the racv roadside guy put his battery booster on it, he > said it was probably flooded. That is a reasonable explanation why the racv guy couldn't start it, even with aerostart. Although... if the old battery didn't have enough juice to run the injectors and spark, how did the engine get flooded? > Anyway. $59 for a new battery, and it starts. he did put a disclaimer > on it by saying that it's not 100% guaranteed that was the whole > problem, but at this point, it seems to have sorted it. he said see > how it goes for a few weeks, rather than throwing more money at it > just yet. Hope it stays working - keep us posted. > Fingers crossed. > Crash Lander -- What is the difference between a duck?
From: bugalugs on 26 Jul 2010 23:03 On 27/07/2010 12:33 p.m., Crash Lander wrote: > On Jul 26, 10:43 pm, Doug Jewell<a...(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote: >> Crash Lander wrote: >>> Hi guys. >>> My 88 tarago RV 2.2L manual won't start. >>> It's got good spark. It turns over as if it would start, but never >>> fires. >>> The RACV guy sprayed some carby primer stuff into the intake, and said >>> if it was not getting fuel, it would at least fire on this stuff, and >>> it didn't so he's ruled out a fuel issue as well. >>> Any other suggestions? Ignition coil maybe? Aren't the coils in these >>> things integrated into the distributor? Would the plugs still be >>> getting spark if it was the coil? I'm a bit stumped on this one. >> >> When you say the plugs have spark, how have you tested? If >> you just removed the plug and looked for a spark, that's not >> a real reliable test. It doesn't take much to make a spark >> travel half a millimetre at atmospheric pressure, so a dud >> coil or other ignition component will often be able to make >> a spark on a removed plug, but can't make a spark under >> compression. A more reliable test is to remove the lead from >> the plug, pull back the hood, and look for a good long spark >> from the end of the lead to the chassis - generally >> somewhere around half an inch (be careful you don't get a >> wallop.) >> >>> Crash Lander >> >> -- >> What is the difference between a duck? > > Pulled the lead off a spark plug, inserted a new plug and crancked. > Good strong spark was seen. > Problem is sorted now it seems anyway. They called me this morning. > "Mechanic": Um, your Tarago started this morning! > Me: What? All by itself? > "Mechanic": We load tested the battery, and it failed. We put a new > battery in it and it started straight away! > > He claims that when a bettery has low voltage, the engine may turn > over, but there may not be enough voltage to run everything > adequately, such as all the injectors and everything else that needs > power to get the engine running. When asked to explain why it didn't > start when the racv roadside guy put his battery booster on it, he > said it was probably flooded. > Anyway. $59 for a new battery, and it starts. he did put a disclaimer > on it by saying that it's not 100% guaranteed that was the whole > problem, but at this point, it seems to have sorted it. he said see > how it goes for a few weeks, rather than throwing more money at it > just yet. > Fingers crossed. > Crash Lander Had that problem with a Capacitor Discharge system I built for my RX4. The transistors wouldn't run under about 9.5 Volts so when the battery was low all the juice went to the starter. When you stopped cranking the full voltage went to the ignition and that was just in time to 'catch' the still spinning motor. It was almost like,l spin the motor, switch off and switch to ignition. --
From: John_H on 28 Jul 2010 17:28 D Walford wrote: >On 28/07/2010 7:47 AM, John_H wrote: >> D Walford wrote: >> >>> She took the Forester for its first service today with instructions for >>> her to not agree to any extra work. >> >> Does that include the Seafoam snake oil treatment? >> >> (It's actually part of the scheduled service, but isn't mentioned in >> the instruction book.) >> >Yep, $30.36 plus GST for 2 bottles, one they used and another given to >her to put in the fuel tank in about 3mths. Are you sure both bottles are the same? The Seafoam stuff listed in the scheduled service is sold as "Subaru Upper Engine Cleaner", made in Oz by Bars Leaks (snake oil merchants from way back). IIRC Subaru also market, and recommend, a *fuel conditioner* (which isn't part of the scheduled service) and isn't the same product. The original Seafoam (first sold as carburettor cleaner for 2-stroke outboards running premix fuel) is claimed to be both (among other things)... but why would the people at Subaru peddle just one bottle of snake oil if the punter is good for two? :) >$250 for an oil and filter change plus checking a few fluid levels is a >bit rich. Ah yes, but the work was probably done by a fully qualified factory trained mechanic, fluent in Japanese... unlike inferior makes! ;-) -- John H
From: Albm&ctd on 29 Jul 2010 00:28
In article <i2lf6v$4r8$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, am9obmhAc2hvYWwubmV0LmF1(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au says... > Crash Lander wrote: > > > > On Jul 27, 11:44?am, PHATRS <stoptryingt...(a)m.me> wrote: > > > On 27/07/10 10:33, Crash Lander wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 26, 10:43 pm, Doug Jewell<a...(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> ?wrote: > > > >> Crash Lander wrote: > > > >>> Hi guys. > > > >>> My 88 tarago RV 2.2L manual won't start. > > > >>> It's got good spark. It turns over as if it would start, but never > > > >>> fires. > > > >>> The RACV guy sprayed some carby primer stuff into the intake, and said > > > >>> if it was not getting fuel, it would at least fire on this stuff, and > > > >>> it didn't so he's ruled out a fuel issue as well. > > > >>> Any other suggestions? Ignition coil maybe? Aren't the coils in these > > > >>> things integrated into the distributor? Would the plugs still be > > > >>> getting spark if it was the coil? I'm a bit stumped on this one. > > > > > > >> When you say the plugs have spark, how have you tested? If > > > >> you just removed the plug and looked for a spark, that's not > > > >> a real reliable test. It doesn't take much to make a spark > > > >> travel half a millimetre at atmospheric pressure, so a dud > > > >> coil or other ignition component will often be able to make > > > >> a spark on a removed plug, but can't make a spark under > > > >> compression. A more reliable test is to remove the lead from > > > >> the plug, pull back the hood, and look for a good long spark > > > >> from the end of the lead to the chassis - generally > > > >> somewhere around half an inch (be careful you don't get a > > > >> wallop.) > > > > > > >>> Crash Lander > > > > > > >> -- > > > >> What is the difference between a duck? > > > > > > > Pulled the lead off a spark plug, inserted a new plug and crancked. > > > > Good strong spark was seen. > > > > Problem is sorted now it seems anyway. They called me this morning. > > > > "Mechanic": Um, your Tarago started this morning! > > > > Me: What? All by itself? > > > > "Mechanic": We load tested the battery, and it failed. We put a new > > > > battery in it and it started straight away! > > > > > > > He claims that when a bettery has low voltage, the engine may turn > > > > over, but there may not be enough voltage to run everything > > > > adequately, such as all the injectors and everything else that needs > > > > power to get the engine running. When asked to explain why it didn't > > > > start when the racv roadside guy put his battery booster on it, he > > > > said it was probably flooded. > > > > Anyway. $59 for a new battery, and it starts. he did put a disclaimer > > > > on it by saying that it's not 100% guaranteed that was the whole > > > > problem, but at this point, it seems to have sorted it. he said see > > > > how it goes for a few weeks, rather than throwing more money at it > > > > just yet. > > > > Fingers crossed. > > > > Crash Lander > > > > > > Does that guy seriously call himself a mechanic?! > > > > > > A proper mechanic would have given you a list of things that you should > > > get fixed, and would set you back the best part of a grand. > > > > > > That was certainly my experience with mechanics when I had old cars - > > > every time they went in for a service (and I had no complaints about the > > > car) they would ring to say I better fix x or y, or both, or it would > > > break down any day now. And sometimes they would just do it without > > > asking. Worst culprit was a BMW "specialist" who loved finding things > > > wrong with Mum's 1975 BMW 3.0S at every service.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > and to clarify, it was $159 for the battery, not $59. I wish!! > > Crash Lander > > > > > > If it all stays good, sounds like you've found somewhere worth going back > to next time anyway. Cheers > A guy not far from me bought a second hand camry, anyway the battery was corroded on the terminals and signs of gassing but the alternator voltage was OK. I suggested he buy a new battery to be sure he doesn't get stuck somewhere. Did he? Nup. Al -- I don't take sides. It's more fun to insult everyone. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html |