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From: Larry G on 15 Feb 2010 09:27 On Feb 15, 8:30 am, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On 2010-02-15, Otto Yamamoto <o...(a)yamamoto.cc> wrote: > > > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 23:49:06 +0000, Brent wrote: > > >> China today is a nasty combination of crony capitalism and totalitarian > >> communism. > > > The 'communism' part is name-only. If China were truly communist, all > > enterprises would be state-owned. China is really closer to National > > Socialism(where the 'socialism' was also only a name) than anything else. > > Crony capitalism is for the people effectively corporatism/fascism. how does China differ from Europe if both are considered to be "socialist"?
From: Brent on 15 Feb 2010 10:14 On 2010-02-15, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 15, 8:30�am, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On 2010-02-15, Otto Yamamoto <o...(a)yamamoto.cc> wrote: >> >> > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 23:49:06 +0000, Brent wrote: >> >> >> China today is a nasty combination of crony capitalism and totalitarian >> >> communism. >> >> > The 'communism' part is name-only. If China were truly communist, all >> > enterprises would be state-owned. China is really closer to National >> > Socialism(where the 'socialism' was also only a name) than anything else. >> >> Crony capitalism is for the people effectively corporatism/fascism. > how does China differ from Europe if both are considered to be > "socialist"? I am guessing you're familiar with the clean way political plunder is done in the US and Europe through leglislation and the courts. In China the violence and the theft isn't made so clean. Some times, people actually fight back too: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100121/ap_on_bi_ge/as_china_killer_hero http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6999166.ece
From: Larry G on 15 Feb 2010 10:51 On Feb 15, 10:14 am, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On 2010-02-15, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Feb 15, 8:30 am, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On 2010-02-15, Otto Yamamoto <o...(a)yamamoto.cc> wrote: > > >> > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 23:49:06 +0000, Brent wrote: > > >> >> China today is a nasty combination of crony capitalism and totalitarian > >> >> communism. > > >> > The 'communism' part is name-only. If China were truly communist, all > >> > enterprises would be state-owned. China is really closer to National > >> > Socialism(where the 'socialism' was also only a name) than anything else. > > >> Crony capitalism is for the people effectively corporatism/fascism. > > how does China differ from Europe if both are considered to be > > "socialist"? > > I am guessing you're familiar with the clean way political plunder is > done in the US and Europe through leglislation and the courts. In China > the violence and the theft isn't made so clean. Some times, people > actually fight back too: > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100121/ap_on_bi_ge/as_china_killer_hero > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6999166.ece well.. yes.. but educate me a little on the difference.....
From: Brent on 15 Feb 2010 12:17 On 2010-02-15, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 15, 10:14�am, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On 2010-02-15, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > On Feb 15, 8:30�am, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> On 2010-02-15, Otto Yamamoto <o...(a)yamamoto.cc> wrote: >> >> >> > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 23:49:06 +0000, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> China today is a nasty combination of crony capitalism and totalitarian >> >> >> communism. >> >> >> > The 'communism' part is name-only. If China were truly communist, all >> >> > enterprises would be state-owned. China is really closer to National >> >> > Socialism(where the 'socialism' was also only a name) than anything else. >> >> >> Crony capitalism is for the people effectively corporatism/fascism. >> > how does China differ from Europe if both are considered to be >> > "socialist"? >> >> I am guessing you're familiar with the clean way political plunder is >> done in the US and Europe through leglislation and the courts. In China >> the violence and the theft isn't made so clean. Some times, people >> actually fight back too: >> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100121/ap_on_bi_ge/as_china_killer_hero >> >> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6999166.ece > > well.. yes.. but educate me a little on the difference..... Not sure what you are getting at. That is the difference between the US/Europe and China. In China it's out in the open and people aren't kooks when they resist.
From: Otto Yamamoto on 15 Feb 2010 13:59
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:30:22 +0000, Brent wrote: > Crony capitalism is for the people effectively corporatism/fascism. Yes, and the State suborns and encourages it, which is more than 'effectively' Fascism. The closest economic model to modern day China is Nazi Germany. The social model is somewhat different, though. -- Otto Yamamoto |