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From: Stephan Rothstein on 2 May 2010 19:46 richard wrote: > On Sun, 02 May 2010 12:30:27 -0500, Stephan Rothstein wrote: > >> richard wrote: >>> On Sun, 02 May 2010 09:54:53 -0500, Omelet wrote: >>> >>>> In article <1kgub4y3t06z1$.17crzt6zp3873$.dlg(a)40tude.net>, >>>> richard <member(a)newsguy.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> FYI, green cards never came with citizenship. Citizenship comes by earning >>>>> it. >>>>> Birthing laws have been changed so that illegal alien children can no >>>>> longer become a natural citizen just because they were born in the states. >>>> Cite please? I was under the impression that that was a constitutional >>>> right and can't be changed as passing laws like that can get overturned >>>> by the supreme court? >>> cite to which? >>> Green cards are not handed out just because you want one. They give you the >>> legal right to work. They sure as hell are not a guranteed "right". >>> >>> It used to be that a foreigner could gain citizenship simply by marriage. >>> That was changed back in the 70's becauset they found several soldiers who >>> had married two or three vietnamese women while on tour. Each time they >>> came to the states, they got a divorce, she got her papers. >>> >>> Do your own research. Educate yourself. >> What she was asking for some proof of was the claim that someone born in >> the US is not a citizen if his parents were here illegally. Since this >> violates the 14th Amendment, I doubt the law were changed. > >> And, since you changed the argument to spouses getting citizenship, I am >> guessing you also know it was an incorrect statement. This debating >> technique makes me think you deliberately lied, but I am willing to give >> the benefit of the doubt for one answer and assume you made an honest >> mistake. >> > > I was pointing out that laws get changed. But that was not what you had said. Further obfuscation does make me think you are deliberately lying. > Even though the child of an illegal may get citizenship, does that mean the > child will not be deported to Mexico along with the parents? Yes, it does mean that. We cannot deport natural born citizens from the US. The parents may decide to take the child with them, or they may leave him here in someone else's care. Even if the parents do take him with, he is still a citizen who may return at any time. > > First of all, IMO, to become a natural born citizen, one, or both parents > must be within the county LEGALLY! As was pointed out, your opinion does not count. The 14th Amendment does, and SCOTUS's opinion does, but your opinion does not count. Steve Rothstein
From: Omelet on 2 May 2010 21:10
In article <4BDDB6B3.6000501(a)earthlink.net>, Stephan Rothstein <srothstein(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > richard wrote: > > On Sun, 02 May 2010 09:54:53 -0500, Omelet wrote: > > > >> In article <1kgub4y3t06z1$.17crzt6zp3873$.dlg(a)40tude.net>, > >> richard <member(a)newsguy.com> wrote: > >> > >>> FYI, green cards never came with citizenship. Citizenship comes by earning > >>> it. > >>> Birthing laws have been changed so that illegal alien children can no > >>> longer become a natural citizen just because they were born in the states. > >> Cite please? I was under the impression that that was a constitutional > >> right and can't be changed as passing laws like that can get overturned > >> by the supreme court? > > > > cite to which? > > Green cards are not handed out just because you want one. They give you the > > legal right to work. They sure as hell are not a guranteed "right". > > > > It used to be that a foreigner could gain citizenship simply by marriage. > > That was changed back in the 70's becauset they found several soldiers who > > had married two or three vietnamese women while on tour. Each time they > > came to the states, they got a divorce, she got her papers. > > > > Do your own research. Educate yourself. > > What she was asking for some proof of was the claim that someone born in > the US is not a citizen if his parents were here illegally. Since this > violates the 14th Amendment, I doubt the law were changed. Thanks Steve! :-) I work in health care. The hospital I used to work for had an average of 2 to 3 anchor babies born there per week. It's big business for coyotes to bring in pregnant Mexican women and they cannot be turned away when they come in in labor. > > And, since you changed the argument to spouses getting citizenship, I am > guessing you also know it was an incorrect statement. This debating > technique makes me think you deliberately lied, but I am willing to give > the benefit of the doubt for one answer and assume you made an honest > mistake. > > Steve Rothstein <lol> -- Peace! Om Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet> �Only Irish �coffee provides in a single glass all four �essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar �and fat. --Alex Levine |