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From: gpsman on 19 Oct 2009 21:28 On Oct 19, 5:05 pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On 2009-10-19, Rex Ballard <rex.ball...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Long post snipped. > > I was writing a point by point reply to that mess and not even half way > through connection dropped and the post was lost. I'm not redoing it. An immeasurable loss. > Basically what you went through a lot of trouble writing was how AT&T > had a government enforced monopoly thanks to a number of reasons. How > regulation kept AT&T's monopoly secure from competition. > > Then you went through microsoft's shoddy product, poor treatment of > customers by making false promises, and playing to purchasing decision > makers that could lose their job by choosing superior competiors' > product (btw, windows didn't even get where nextstep was in 1988 until > they launched XP, so superior stuff did exist in the 80s) but keep it no > matter how crappy MS's stuff was. Microsoft screwed their customers and > their partners yet prospered because well, they played the political > game. > > You also brought up the fine detail of how microsoft bought government > protection after the government thugs went into their 'store' and threw > things a round a bit. Again, no disagreement. > > Another topic raised was microsoft's property rights violations of other > companies. Well, guess who's supposed to protect property rights? The > government. Have you notified ASCAP and BMI? > You then went on about how Gates had the benefit of his father knowing > how to use the government court system. > > None of which makes microsoft a monopoly, but it does show how monopoly > is created and sustained, by playing _with_ the state. Exhibitions of your near total inability to comprehend the written word are funny, at first. > Then you went into the mismanagement of apple and how they got where > they are. Ultimately they've chosen their market and they keep their OS > as locked to their hardware as they can. That lock means it will never > grow bigger than it is. Yeah, they can't even give those IPods away anymore. http://www.pcworld.com/article/173921/apples_profit_rises_despite_drop_in_ipod_shipments.html Your consistency of being nearly perfectly and exactly wrong is Bullisesque. ----- - gpsman
From: Otto Yamamoto on 19 Oct 2009 22:10 On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:36:10 +0000, Brent wrote: > For the benefit of gpstroll I'll explain it... Microsoft like walmart > became a target because of being large, profitable, and lacking paid > political protection. Political types can smell money and they will > attack to get it. What's the use of running a protection racket if the > threats are never carried out on those who aren't paying? That explains > the anti-trust action. Once microsoft started paying protection it > pretty much just went away. > > Microsoft is and has never been a monopoly. It has engaged in various > questionable business practices by leveraging that market share. It got > that market share because it a) got the business from IBM for an OS. b) > businesses wanted to stick with IBM. c) Apple (and others) used their > OSes as a way to sell their hardware. > > The current MacOS comes from NeXTSTEP which was odd in that it ran on > NeXT, Sun, Hp, and intel PC hardware. Mac's hardware is now largely > based on standard intel PC hardware. If MacOS were offered for Intel > machines in general their OS market share would grow. However their > hardware sales would fall like a stone. Apple wants to retain their > hardware business even if it's just becoming standard stuff in stylish > packaging. Oh. I guess there isn't any such thing as Linux. It's good enough for Cray (their supercomputers run a version of SUSE), a fair portion of the server market, Fox News(runs Ubuntu's server software), and just regular Joes like me. Incidentally, I pay a penalty for running the software I choose, since it comes bundled with, and the price is included in any computer I buy(unless I build my own). I don't want Windows, and have removed it from every computer I own . I don't get that money back, either. -- 'Smoking is Healthier than Fascism'
From: Brent on 19 Oct 2009 23:43 On 2009-10-20, Otto Yamamoto <roscoe(a)yamamoto.cc> wrote: > Oh. I guess there isn't any such thing as Linux. As I explained before, gpstroll is the village idiot of r.a.d and other newsgroups. Trying to explain anything more than what can be purchased at Best Buy to him is completely pointless. I'm not the one that cross posted this, some linux user unfamiliar with gpstroll thought it would be funny.
From: Arif Khokar on 20 Oct 2009 01:10 Otto Yamamoto wrote: > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:36:10 +0000, Brent wrote: >> For the benefit of gpstroll I'll explain it... Microsoft like walmart >> became a target because of being large, profitable, and lacking paid >> political protection. Political types can smell money and they will >> attack to get it. What's the use of running a protection racket if the >> threats are never carried out on those who aren't paying? That explains >> the anti-trust action. Once microsoft started paying protection it >> pretty much just went away. >> >> Microsoft is and has never been a monopoly. It has engaged in various >> questionable business practices by leveraging that market share. It got >> that market share because it a) got the business from IBM for an OS. b) >> businesses wanted to stick with IBM. c) Apple (and others) used their >> OSes as a way to sell their hardware. >> >> The current MacOS comes from NeXTSTEP which was odd in that it ran on >> NeXT, Sun, Hp, and intel PC hardware. Mac's hardware is now largely >> based on standard intel PC hardware. If MacOS were offered for Intel >> machines in general their OS market share would grow. However their >> hardware sales would fall like a stone. Apple wants to retain their >> hardware business even if it's just becoming standard stuff in stylish >> packaging. > Oh. I guess there isn't any such thing as Linux. Perhaps you should take a look at the headers of the post that you replied to and pay particular attention to the User-Agent header field.
From: Otto Yamamoto on 20 Oct 2009 08:06
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:43:15 +0000, Brent wrote: > As I explained before, gpstroll is the village idiot of r.a.d and other > newsgroups. Trying to explain anything more than what can be purchased > at Best Buy to him is completely pointless. I'm not the one that cross > posted this, some linux user unfamiliar with gpstroll thought it would > be funny. Too late for you. You're going to Internet Security Prison now. -- 'Smoking is Healthier than Fascism' |