"Road travel 'needs big overhaul' to avoid gridlock"
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From: Derek C on 17 Mar 2010 08:34 On 17 Mar, 11:31, boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: > On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:26:29 -0000 > > > > > > "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > ><boltar2...(a)boltar.world> wrote in message > >news:hnqa1e$80r$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > >> On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:57:10 -0700 (PDT) > >> Jethro <krazyka...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > >>>The simplest answer, if you want to avoid more road building (on the > >>>basis we can't seem to manage the roads we do have) is to "do > >>>something" to break the 9-5 culture which dominates the business > >>>mindset. > > >> If school and working hours were 8-4 so there was equal working time > >> before > >> and after midday we could dispense with the idiotic daylight saving > >> nonsense > >> that we have to suffer every year and just stick to GMT. > > >What's that got to do with road congestion? > > It was just an aside, though if work ended an hour earlier in the winter > and it wasn't so dark when people drove home the standard of driving would > probably be better. > > B2003- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - The same effect could be achieved by not winding the clocks back to Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) for the Winter months! Derek C
From: JNugent on 17 Mar 2010 09:13 Derek C wrote: > boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: >> "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> <boltar2...(a)boltar.world> wrote: >>>> Jethro <krazyka...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>> The simplest answer, if you want to avoid more road building (on the >>>>> basis we can't seem to manage the roads we do have) is to "do >>>>> something" to break the 9-5 culture which dominates the business >>>>> mindset. >>>> If school and working hours were 8-4 so there was equal working time >>>> before and after midday we could dispense with the idiotic daylight >>>> saving nonsense that we have to suffer every year and just stick to GMT. >>> What's that got to do with road congestion? >> It was just an aside, though if work ended an hour earlier in the winter >> and it wasn't so dark when people drove home the standard of driving would >> probably be better. > The same effect could be achieved by not winding the clocks back to > Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) for the Winter months! What do you mean, "back"? GMT is the *correct* time - ie, mid-day when the sun is overhead at the measurement point (the Greenwich Meridian). It is the sheer unnecessary nonsense of British Summer Time (when for no useful reason whatsoever, it is still light at 11:00 pm on the west coast in late June) which is crying out to be scrapped.
From: boltar2003 on 17 Mar 2010 09:52 On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Derek C <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >The same effect could be achieved by not winding the clocks back to >Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) for the Winter months! Whats the point of having clocks if they don't tell the correct time? If people really are so desperate for light in the morning and evenings why don't we just wind the clocks forward 12 hours and then it can be dark while we work and light when we're out enjoying ourselves at "night"? B2003
From: Derek C on 17 Mar 2010 09:55 On 17 Mar, 13:13, JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: > Derek C wrote: > > boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: > >> "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >>> <boltar2...(a)boltar.world> wrote: > >>>> Jethro <krazyka...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > >>>>> The simplest answer, if you want to avoid more road building (on the > >>>>> basis we can't seem to manage the roads we do have) is to "do > >>>>> something" to break the 9-5 culture which dominates the business > >>>>> mindset. > >>>> If school and working hours were 8-4 so there was equal working time > >>>> before and after midday we could dispense with the idiotic daylight > >>>> saving nonsense that we have to suffer every year and just stick to GMT. > >>> What's that got to do with road congestion? > >> It was just an aside, though if work ended an hour earlier in the winter > >> and it wasn't so dark when people drove home the standard of driving would > >> probably be better. > > The same effect could be achieved by not winding the clocks back to > > Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) for the Winter months! > > What do you mean, "back"? > > GMT is the *correct* time - ie, mid-day when the sun is overhead at the > measurement point (the Greenwich Meridian). > > It is the sheer unnecessary nonsense of British Summer Time (when for no > useful reason whatsoever, it is still light at 11:00 pm on the west coast in > late June) which is crying out to be scrapped.- Hide quoted text - > - I like British Summer Time thanks, because it gives you more time for outdoor recreational activities in the evenings, such as cycling. Making the standard working day 8 am to 4 pm (hopefully with some flexitime) on GMT, instead of 9 to 5, would achieve the same advantage. I have never felt that is very sensible to start work only 3 hours before the sun is at its highest, but to finish work 5 hours later! Are you are from Scotland by any chance? The Scots always whinge about BST being a Sassenach plot for stealing an hour of their daylight in the morning, while conveniently forgetting that they get much longer evenings in the summer than us Southern English folk! Derek C
From: JNugent on 17 Mar 2010 10:19
Derek C wrote: > On 17 Mar, 13:13, JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: >> Derek C wrote: >>> boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: >>>> "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> <boltar2...(a)boltar.world> wrote: >>>>>> Jethro <krazyka...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> The simplest answer, if you want to avoid more road building (on the >>>>>>> basis we can't seem to manage the roads we do have) is to "do >>>>>>> something" to break the 9-5 culture which dominates the business >>>>>>> mindset. >>>>>> If school and working hours were 8-4 so there was equal working time >>>>>> before and after midday we could dispense with the idiotic daylight >>>>>> saving nonsense that we have to suffer every year and just stick to GMT. >>>>> What's that got to do with road congestion? >>>> It was just an aside, though if work ended an hour earlier in the winter >>>> and it wasn't so dark when people drove home the standard of driving would >>>> probably be better. >>> The same effect could be achieved by not winding the clocks back to >>> Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) for the Winter months! >> What do you mean, "back"? >> GMT is the *correct* time - ie, mid-day when the sun is overhead at the >> measurement point (the Greenwich Meridian). >> It is the sheer unnecessary nonsense of British Summer Time (when for no >> useful reason whatsoever, it is still light at 11:00 pm on the west coast in >> late June) which is crying out to be scrapped. > I like British Summer Time thanks, because it gives you more time for > outdoor recreational activities in the evenings, such as cycling. You don't need daylight right up until News At Ten has finished, surely? > Making the standard working day 8 am to 4 pm (hopefully with some > flexitime) on GMT, instead of 9 to 5, would achieve the same > advantage. > I have never felt that is very sensible to start work only 3 hours > before the sun is at its highest, but to finish work 5 hours later! Then start at 08:00 GMT. Plenty of people start quite a bit earlier than that. > Are you are from Scotland by any chance? No. > The Scots always whinge about > BST being a Sassenach plot for stealing an hour of their daylight in > the morning, while conveniently forgetting that they get much longer > evenings in the summer than us Southern English folk! It isn't so much a north/south thing (in Great Britain terms); it's more an east/west thing. In Liverpool, the sun is still visible in the sky (setting, admittedly) after the pubs have shut in late June. The effect is even more marked in Wales, the west country peninsula and Northern Ireland. What IS the point in that? |