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From: Noodle on 9 Jun 2010 03:00
Hi, Sylvia.

Remember in 2008 when I said that the NSW Government is using Fines
and Penalties as another method to fix its NSW Budget revenue, in 2008
when NSW Premier Nathan Rees was in power?

You disagreed:

http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.legal/msg/b0539397ee919e14
"
For all the talk of revenue raising, fines don't really amount to
much
in the overall budget scheme of things. Yes, they go into
consolidated
revenue, but that's because they have to go somewhere.
"

Well, fast forward to Year 2010, NSW Treasurer Eric Roozendaal is
using FINES as a means of wholesale Consolidated Revenue.

He is not using it as a punitive measure to "teach you a lesson". He
is now using it to fix his NSW Budget blackhole. Just as I predicted
it would happen in 2008!

FINES & PENALTIES are the only way that the NSW Government can now
raise money.

Unlike what you said in 2008, Fines *DO* amount to much in the overall
budget scheme of things:

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/50423/nsw-mobile-speed-cameras-to-double-fine-revenue-by-2012-to-570-million

"
Beginning on July 19, New South Wales will begin rolling out its
mobile speed camera program, replacing the state's outdated cameras
with new digital systems capable not only detecting speed, but also of
reading number plates.

As part of the NSW Government's budget announced this week, the mobile
speed cameras are expected to contribute to an increase in fine
revenue from $291 million in 2009 to $428 million by next year. Under
the budget forecast, last year's take will have almost doubled to $570
million by 2012.

On their own, the mobile speed cameras - which will be operated by a
private company - are expected to increase the number of speeding
tickets by 5 percent, adding about $137 million to fine revenue.

Speaking with News Ltd, Opposition roads spokesperson Andrew Stoner
said that the expected increase in revenue was a clear revenue-raising
tactic, using speed cameras to grow the state's budget rather than
deter speeding motorists.

"This means the state's fiscal position now relies on more motorists
speeding on our roads," Mr Stoner said. "Speed cameras should be there
to deter motorists from driving dangerously, not to raise revenue."

The NSW Government also announced that it will inject a further $11
million into paying police officers, amounting to a pay rise of nearly
2 percent - described by Opposition police spokesperson Mike Gallacher
as "insignificant".

Most significantly, the NSW Government announced a $300 million
increase in road development, increasing the state's spend on its
roads to $4.7 billion.

Around $810 million has been earmarked for the Pacific Highway (up
$147 million on last year) and $115 million for the Great Western
Highway (up $47m).
"

Everybody: REFUSE TO PAY YOUR FINES!

Noodle.
From: Sylvia Else on 9 Jun 2010 03:53
On 9/06/2010 5:00 PM, Noodle wrote:
> Hi, Sylvia.
>
> Remember in 2008 when I said that the NSW Government is using Fines
> and Penalties as another method to fix its NSW Budget revenue, in 2008
> when NSW Premier Nathan Rees was in power?
>
> You disagreed:
>
> http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.legal/msg/b0539397ee919e14
> "
> For all the talk of revenue raising, fines don't really amount to
> much
> in the overall budget scheme of things. Yes, they go into
> consolidated
> revenue, but that's because they have to go somewhere.
> "
>
> Well, fast forward to Year 2010, NSW Treasurer Eric Roozendaal is
> using FINES as a means of wholesale Consolidated Revenue.
>
> He is not using it as a punitive measure to "teach you a lesson". He
> is now using it to fix his NSW Budget blackhole. Just as I predicted
> it would happen in 2008!
>
> FINES& PENALTIES are the only way that the NSW Government can now
> raise money.
>
> Unlike what you said in 2008, Fines *DO* amount to much in the overall
> budget scheme of things:
>
> http://www.themotorreport.com.au/50423/nsw-mobile-speed-cameras-to-double-fine-revenue-by-2012-to-570-million
>
> "
> Beginning on July 19, New South Wales will begin rolling out its
> mobile speed camera program, replacing the state's outdated cameras
> with new digital systems capable not only detecting speed, but also of
> reading number plates.
>
> As part of the NSW Government's budget announced this week, the mobile
> speed cameras are expected to contribute to an increase in fine
> revenue from $291 million in 2009 to $428 million by next year. Under
> the budget forecast, last year's take will have almost doubled to $570
> million by 2012.
>
> On their own, the mobile speed cameras - which will be operated by a
> private company - are expected to increase the number of speeding
> tickets by 5 percent, adding about $137 million to fine revenue.
>
> Speaking with News Ltd, Opposition roads spokesperson Andrew Stoner
> said that the expected increase in revenue was a clear revenue-raising
> tactic, using speed cameras to grow the state's budget rather than
> deter speeding motorists.
>
> "This means the state's fiscal position now relies on more motorists
> speeding on our roads," Mr Stoner said. "Speed cameras should be there
> to deter motorists from driving dangerously, not to raise revenue."
>
> The NSW Government also announced that it will inject a further $11
> million into paying police officers, amounting to a pay rise of nearly
> 2 percent - described by Opposition police spokesperson Mike Gallacher
> as "insignificant".
>
> Most significantly, the NSW Government announced a $300 million
> increase in road development, increasing the state's spend on its
> roads to $4.7 billion.
>
> Around $810 million has been earmarked for the Pacific Highway (up
> $147 million on last year) and $115 million for the Great Western
> Highway (up $47m).
> "
>
> Everybody: REFUSE TO PAY YOUR FINES!
>
> Noodle.

Look at

<http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/nswbills.nsf/131a07fa4b8a041cca256e610012de17/85bd14ffec69c37aca25773c000d8b18/$FILE/b2010-042-d09-House.pdf>

The appropriations there total around $53 billion.

Traffic fines are only 1% of that.

Sylvia.
From: bringyagrogalong on 9 Jun 2010 04:36
Sylvia Else <syl...(a)not.here.invalid> wrote:
> Noodle wrote:
>
> > Hi, Sylvia.
>
> > Remember in 2008 when I said that the NSW Government is using Fines
> > and Penalties as another method to fix its NSW Budget revenue, in 2008
> > when NSW Premier Nathan Rees was in power?
>
> > You disagreed:
>
> > http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.legal/msg/b0539397ee919e14
> >
> > "For all the talk of revenue raising, fines don't really amount to
> > much in the overall budget scheme of things. Yes, they go into
> > consolidated revenue, but that's because they have to go
> > somewhere".
> >
>
> > Well, fast forward to Year 2010, NSW Treasurer Eric Roozendaal is
> > using FINES as a means of wholesale Consolidated Revenue.
>
> > He is not using it as a punitive measure to "teach you a lesson".  He
> > is now using it to fix his NSW Budget blackhole.  Just as I predicted
> > it would happen in 2008!
>
> > FINES&  PENALTIES are the only way that the NSW Government can now
> > raise money.
>
> > Unlike what you said in 2008, Fines *DO* amount to much in the overall
> > budget scheme of things:
>
> > http://www.themotorreport.com.au/50423/nsw-mobile-speed-cameras-to-do....
>
> > "
> > Beginning on July 19, New South Wales will begin rolling out its
> > mobile speed camera program, replacing the state's outdated cameras
> > with new digital systems capable not only detecting speed, but also of
> > reading number plates.
>
> > As part of the NSW Government's budget announced this week, the mobile
> > speed cameras are expected to contribute to an increase in fine
> > revenue from $291 million in 2009 to $428 million by next year. Under
> > the budget forecast, last year's take will have almost doubled to $570
> > million by 2012.
>
> > On their own, the mobile speed cameras - which will be operated by a
> > private company - are expected to increase the number of speeding
> > tickets by 5 percent, adding about $137 million to fine revenue.
>
> > Speaking with News Ltd, Opposition roads spokesperson Andrew Stoner
> > said that the expected increase in revenue was a clear revenue-raising
> > tactic, using speed cameras to grow the state's budget rather than
> > deter speeding motorists.
>
> >   "This means the state's fiscal position now relies on more motorists
> > speeding on our roads," Mr Stoner said. "Speed cameras should be there
> > to deter motorists from driving dangerously, not to raise revenue."
>
> > The NSW Government also announced that it will inject a further $11
> > million into paying police officers, amounting to a pay rise of nearly
> > 2 percent - described by Opposition police spokesperson Mike Gallacher
> > as "insignificant".
>
> > Most significantly, the NSW Government announced a $300 million
> > increase in road development, increasing the state's spend on its
> > roads to $4.7 billion.
>
> > Around $810 million has been earmarked for the Pacific Highway (up
> > $147 million on last year) and $115 million for the Great Western
> > Highway (up $47m).
> > "
>
> > Everybody:  REFUSE TO PAY YOUR FINES!
>
> > Noodle.
>
> Look at
>
> <http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/nswbills.nsf/131a07fa4...>
>
> The appropriations there total around $53 billion.
>
> Traffic fines are only 1% of that.
>
> Sylvia.

Why bother responding to a drongo, Sylvia?

The NSW budget doesn't need "fixing" with revenue from increased
fines, it's in surplus to the tune of $773,000,000.

Noodle wouldn't know a train was up him unless the people got out.

But quite apart from the stupidity of his argument he is also urging
people to break the law.

Fair dinkum, if Charles Darwin were alive today he could have
completed his life's work by identifying Noodle as the Missing Link.
From: Sylvia Else on 9 Jun 2010 04:54
On 9/06/2010 6:36 PM, bringyagrogalong wrote:
> Sylvia Else<syl...(a)not.here.invalid> wrote:
>> Noodle wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Sylvia.
>>
>>> Remember in 2008 when I said that the NSW Government is using Fines
>>> and Penalties as another method to fix its NSW Budget revenue, in 2008
>>> when NSW Premier Nathan Rees was in power?
>>
>>> You disagreed:
>>
>>> http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.legal/msg/b0539397ee919e14
>>>
>>> "For all the talk of revenue raising, fines don't really amount to
>>> much in the overall budget scheme of things. Yes, they go into
>>> consolidated revenue, but that's because they have to go
>>> somewhere".
>>>
>>
>>> Well, fast forward to Year 2010, NSW Treasurer Eric Roozendaal is
>>> using FINES as a means of wholesale Consolidated Revenue.
>>
>>> He is not using it as a punitive measure to "teach you a lesson". He
>>> is now using it to fix his NSW Budget blackhole. Just as I predicted
>>> it would happen in 2008!
>>
>>> FINES& PENALTIES are the only way that the NSW Government can now
>>> raise money.
>>
>>> Unlike what you said in 2008, Fines *DO* amount to much in the overall
>>> budget scheme of things:
>>
>>> http://www.themotorreport.com.au/50423/nsw-mobile-speed-cameras-to-do...
>>
>>> "
>>> Beginning on July 19, New South Wales will begin rolling out its
>>> mobile speed camera program, replacing the state's outdated cameras
>>> with new digital systems capable not only detecting speed, but also of
>>> reading number plates.
>>
>>> As part of the NSW Government's budget announced this week, the mobile
>>> speed cameras are expected to contribute to an increase in fine
>>> revenue from $291 million in 2009 to $428 million by next year. Under
>>> the budget forecast, last year's take will have almost doubled to $570
>>> million by 2012.
>>
>>> On their own, the mobile speed cameras - which will be operated by a
>>> private company - are expected to increase the number of speeding
>>> tickets by 5 percent, adding about $137 million to fine revenue.
>>
>>> Speaking with News Ltd, Opposition roads spokesperson Andrew Stoner
>>> said that the expected increase in revenue was a clear revenue-raising
>>> tactic, using speed cameras to grow the state's budget rather than
>>> deter speeding motorists.
>>
>>> "This means the state's fiscal position now relies on more motorists
>>> speeding on our roads," Mr Stoner said. "Speed cameras should be there
>>> to deter motorists from driving dangerously, not to raise revenue."
>>
>>> The NSW Government also announced that it will inject a further $11
>>> million into paying police officers, amounting to a pay rise of nearly
>>> 2 percent - described by Opposition police spokesperson Mike Gallacher
>>> as "insignificant".
>>
>>> Most significantly, the NSW Government announced a $300 million
>>> increase in road development, increasing the state's spend on its
>>> roads to $4.7 billion.
>>
>>> Around $810 million has been earmarked for the Pacific Highway (up
>>> $147 million on last year) and $115 million for the Great Western
>>> Highway (up $47m).
>>> "
>>
>>> Everybody: REFUSE TO PAY YOUR FINES!
>>
>>> Noodle.
>>
>> Look at
>>
>> <http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/nswbills.nsf/131a07fa4...>
>>
>> The appropriations there total around $53 billion.
>>
>> Traffic fines are only 1% of that.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Why bother responding to a drongo, Sylvia?

He may not have realised the total amount of the NSW budget. Indeed, I
would have said it was into the tens of billions, but I couldn't have
said how many tens before I looked it up.

> But quite apart from the stupidity of his argument he is also urging
> people to break the law.

I'm pretty sure it's not an offence to fail to pay a fine, and therefore
not against the law in the usual sense of the expression. Any action
taken in respect of an unpaid fine will be civil, not criminal.

Sylvia.
From: B J Foster on 9 Jun 2010 06:23
bringyagrogalong wrote:
> Sylvia Else <syl...(a)not.here.invalid> wrote:
>> Noodle wrote:
....
>
> But quite apart from the stupidity of his argument he is also urging
> people to break the law.

Since when was refusing to pay a fine against the law, idiot

>
> Fair dinkum, if Charles Darwin were alive today he could have
> completed his life's work by identifying Noodle as the Missing Link.
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