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From: Tegger on 26 Nov 2009 20:36
dsi1 <dsi1(a)spamnet.com> wrote in news:ITBPm.12537$cX4.1779(a)newsfe10.iad:
> I'll bet you a buck that this lady will remember Toyotas as unsafe
> vehicles for quite a while. At least that's the main claim to fame of
> the Ford Pinto and Audi 5000.
Possibly influential difference: Ford stonewalled on the Pinto for quite a
while. Toyota never did that.
And Audi had no problem to fix in the first place, which put them in a bit
of a spot as to what to do before somebody came up with the idea of the
From: Hal on 26 Nov 2009 21:53
> anymore. Frankly I was amazed that something like this would so
> quickly turn off a buyer.
And Toyota as a whole just shrugs and waves....maybe she'll go buy a
Ford. Then we can all laugh at her when she starts getting the recall
notices and repair bills....
At least Toyota is owning up to the problem, something several other
auto makers could take a lesson or two from. And as far as the folks
who got killed by their runaway cars, why are these people not putting
the transmission in neutral? Or holding down the 'start/stop' button
to kill the engine? It's sad that people die from this but
seriously..did they read the owners manual? Do they know how to safely
operate the car? Because it sure seems to me they did not.....
From: AZ Nomad on 26 Nov 2009 23:23
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:36:52 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote:
>And Audi had no problem to fix in the first place, which put them in a bit
>of a spot as to what to do before somebody came up with the idea of the
And when the infamous audi unintended acceleration cases all vanished
with the addition of the interlock, it became obvious that the cases
were all ones where the driver had confused the pedals.
From: dsi1 on 27 Nov 2009 04:15
> As I recall reading previously, according to the NHTSA, of the 2
> million Pintos built, only 27 deaths ever resulted from fire. This is
> typical for highway safety of the time in any car. There also were no
> specifics about each accident- for all anyone knows these people could
> have crashed into a train or a gas station. I also recall Ford
> eventually recalling Pintos and putting plastic caps on the bolts of
> the diff (decide for yourself i that will make a difference) and that
Those must have been some caps!
> the notorious "Ford Pinto Memo" was actually false.
In the sense that it wasn't about the Pinto or rear-end crashes or
specifically about Ford, you're right.
> Keep in mind also, that a number of years ago when GM was accosted for
> the saddle tanks outside the frame rails in their full-size trucks, we
> also heard a "statement" similar to "it will be cheaper for us to pay
> off lawsuits from actual cases than to recall all 3.4M vehicles".
Boy, you can't put that fuel tank anywhere! OTOH, anywhere was better
than sticking it on the passenger's lap like in a VW type 1.
From: fred on 27 Nov 2009 07:13
Hal <halatos(a)gmail.com> wrote in
>> anymore. �Frankly I was amazed that something like this would so
>> quickly turn off a buyer.
> And Toyota as a whole just shrugs and waves....maybe she'll go buy a
> Ford. Then we can all laugh at her when she starts getting the recall
> notices and repair bills....
And the calls from the collection agency about her unpaid car loan from
Ford credit despite her using a bank directly.