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From: Mr.T on 31 Jul 2010 01:32

"D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:4c526b5f$0$28642$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
> Maybe tolling the Western Ring Road would reduce the traffic volumes so
> that its not a permanent car park to be avoided wherever possible, its
> so bad most of the time it makes the Monash look good.
> At least the traffic flows on EastLink.

Sure, but paying taxes to build the Western, Greensborough, Geelong freeway
etc. which I hardly use, AS WELL as paying Tolls for Eastlink and Citylink,
which I *would* use more often if it was free, does annoy me somewhat, when
the Western suburbanites get it all for free.
And while Eastlink may be OK because it goes nowhere near town, you cannot
say the same about the old South Eastern Freeway, now Tollway, and
Tullamarine Freeway, now Tollway! All of those roads were adequate for me
originally, because I mostly used them on weekends. And yet Eastlink is the
only one to even have a weekend discount, they should all be FREE off peak
at least! (now that's the best idea, make them ALL free off peak and ALL
tolled during peak periods) I hardly ever use the Eastlink tunnels because
it's hard to justify the expense to save <5 minutes, if you are paying out
of your own pocket, and you don't earn more than $50 an hour after tax!

MrT.


From: D Walford on 31 Jul 2010 11:02
On 31/07/2010 3:32 PM, Mr.T wrote:
> "D Walford"<dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
> news:4c526b5f$0$28642$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
>> Maybe tolling the Western Ring Road would reduce the traffic volumes so
>> that its not a permanent car park to be avoided wherever possible, its
>> so bad most of the time it makes the Monash look good.
>> At least the traffic flows on EastLink.
>
> Sure, but paying taxes to build the Western, Greensborough, Geelong freeway
> etc. which I hardly use, AS WELL as paying Tolls for Eastlink and Citylink,
> which I *would* use more often if it was free, does annoy me somewhat, when
> the Western suburbanites get it all for free.
> And while Eastlink may be OK because it goes nowhere near town, you cannot
> say the same about the old South Eastern Freeway, now Tollway, and
> Tullamarine Freeway, now Tollway! All of those roads were adequate for me
> originally, because I mostly used them on weekends. And yet Eastlink is the
> only one to even have a weekend discount, they should all be FREE off peak
> at least! (now that's the best idea, make them ALL free off peak and ALL
> tolled during peak periods) I hardly ever use the Eastlink tunnels because
> it's hard to justify the expense to save<5 minutes, if you are paying out
> of your own pocket, and you don't earn more than $50 an hour after tax!
>

IMO tolls are a rip off because as far as I'm concerned motorists
already pay more than enough to cover the cost of building decent roads
so to make things fair for both sides of Melb I would remove all the
tolls instead of tolling existing roads in the west.


Daryl
From: Kev on 31 Jul 2010 14:03
D Walford wrote:
> On 31/07/2010 3:32 PM, Mr.T wrote:
>> "D Walford"<dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
>> news:4c526b5f$0$28642$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
>>> Maybe tolling the Western Ring Road would reduce the traffic volumes so
>>> that its not a permanent car park to be avoided wherever possible, its
>>> so bad most of the time it makes the Monash look good.
>>> At least the traffic flows on EastLink.
>>
>> Sure, but paying taxes to build the Western, Greensborough, Geelong
>> freeway
>> etc. which I hardly use, AS WELL as paying Tolls for Eastlink and
>> Citylink,
>> which I *would* use more often if it was free, does annoy me somewhat,
>> when
>> the Western suburbanites get it all for free.
>> And while Eastlink may be OK because it goes nowhere near town, you
>> cannot
>> say the same about the old South Eastern Freeway, now Tollway, and
>> Tullamarine Freeway, now Tollway! All of those roads were adequate for me
>> originally, because I mostly used them on weekends. And yet Eastlink
>> is the
>> only one to even have a weekend discount, they should all be FREE off
>> peak
>> at least! (now that's the best idea, make them ALL free off peak and ALL
>> tolled during peak periods) I hardly ever use the Eastlink tunnels
>> because
>> it's hard to justify the expense to save<5 minutes, if you are paying out
>> of your own pocket, and you don't earn more than $50 an hour after tax!
>>
>
> IMO tolls are a rip off because as far as I'm concerned motorists
> already pay more than enough to cover the cost of building decent roads
> so to make things fair for both sides of Melb I would remove all the
> tolls instead of tolling existing roads in the west.


Are the tolls added to existing roads because they upgraded the roads or
did they just one day stick a toll on them

it's either pay more on fuel and rego or pay tolls

Kev
From: D Walford on 31 Jul 2010 19:44
On 1/08/2010 4:03 AM, Kev wrote:

>> IMO tolls are a rip off because as far as I'm concerned motorists
>> already pay more than enough to cover the cost of building decent roads
>> so to make things fair for both sides of Melb I would remove all the
>> tolls instead of tolling existing roads in the west.
>
>
> Are the tolls added to existing roads because they upgraded the roads or
> did they just one day stick a toll on them

Some of both, Tullamarine and Monash were existing roads that they
upgraded then tolled, Eastlink is a new road that was tolled from day one.
>
> it's either pay more on fuel and rego or pay tolls

Shouldn't need to do either because we have already paid enough in
vehicle related taxes to build those roads 10 times.




Daryl
From: D Walford on 1 Aug 2010 00:05
On 1/08/2010 1:45 PM, Toby wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 09:44:08 +1000, D Walford posited in:
>
>> Some of both, Tullamarine and Monash were existing roads that they
>> upgraded then tolled, Eastlink is a new road that was tolled from day one.
>>>
>
> Did GovCo ever announce the concession period for those tolls, or are they
> 'indefinite'?
>
AFAIK there are end dates to the contracts but most of us will be dead
before then.


Daryl
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