From: Adrian on
Conor <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

> I've been stopped at a checkpoint whilst going about my legal business,
> asked who I worked for (plastered all over the side of the wagon)

Every wagon that says has a brand name on the side is driven by an
employee of that organisation, is it?

No, thought not.
From: GeoffC on
Ret. wrote:
> steve robinson wrote:
>> Cynic wrote:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> And when you're ID'd as a possible perpetrator?
>>>>
>>>> And why would I be?
>>>
>>> Because, as you keep reminding us, the police are only human, and
>>> humans occasionally make mistakes.
>>
>> Its not occasional i got picked out of a lineup years ago yet i was
>> just someone the police rounded up at the local precinct and asked if
>> i wouldnt mind helpin etc etc .
>>
>> When the alledged crime occured (about 5 days before)i was the best
>> part of 250 miles away with at least 12 MOD police officers as
>> witnesses monitored by cctv private security and several navel
>> officers
>
> I've held dozens of ID parades. It's quite unusual, although not
> unknown for a witness to pick the wrong person. Of course there is
> never any likelihood of the person who is wrongly picked becoming a
> suspect.

Or the wrong person being incarcerated for a crime they never committed, no
that never happens does it?
Course not.

--

Geoff


From: Conor on
On 23/03/2010 14:43, Ret. wrote:

> Yes I do. Are there 560k issued each day?

Far many more transactions are recorded..

> I know what you are going to argue but the situation is totally
> different. Tesco have an interest in the purchasing patterns of their
> customers in order to personally direct special offers etc. But this
> process will be computerised. They don't have actual staff checking
> every customer's purchasing patterns do they?

And the point is well and truly missed.

The point is that a computer programme mines the data and produces a
result. It doesn't need someone to see it. However, if a data mining of
a government database threw up that your moevements were suspicious,
then there would be people actually looking at that. And don't forget,
most people assume computers are infallible.

>
> Automatic static ANPR is being rolled out across the country and, before
> long, there will be millions of plates being 'read' every week (if not
> every day). The overwhelming majority of the journeys will be completely
> innocuous commuting trips, shopping trips, leisure drives, etc. Even if
> it were possible to individually examine each of those journeys - what
> would be the purpose?
>

Well certain councils are planning to charge people for excessive waste
from data gleaned from RFID chips in bins.

--
Conor
I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.
From: Adrian on
Cynic <cynic_999(a)yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

> Except that it wasn't Joe Bloggs at all, just someone who cloned the
> numberplate of a similar colour and model car he saw in his home town.

Depends, of course, on whether ANPR stores images as well as just
registration/location data as to whether even that's necessary...

Clearly, if images are stored, then there's a considerably greater
storage requirement - but still far from insurmountable. Just a single
still - not particularly hi-res - from each capture.
From: Ret. on
Conor wrote:
> On 23/03/2010 06:55, Steve Firth wrote:
>> Maria<fallingdown(a)holeinshoe.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Several years ago, I had a letter from one of these survey companies
>>> acting for the government - the letter said that I had been spotted
>>> by one of those tall blue things by the road,
>>
>> I doubt it.
>
> I've been stopped at a checkpoint whilst going about my legal
> business, asked who I worked for (plastered all over the side of the
> wagon) where I was going, where I'd come from (on the side of the
> wagon) , what I was carrying and what time I started work. This
> wasn't from a copper but some gubbermint busybody with a clipboard -
> the Police were the ones pulling random cars in.
>
> Its happened several times in various places. Each time, the response
> was the same - a polite sod off.

These are simply traffic census points. Intended to discover traffic flow
along a particular road and where it is coming from and going to - usually
with the aim of improving local roads. Being rude and uncooperative is
self-defeating.

Kev