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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 14 Feb 2010 02:15 On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:22:12 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:49:59 -0700, "M.M." <nobody(a)nowhere.com> wrote: > >>My daughter's BF wants to change the brake fluid in his Corolla. It's a >>fairly late model...2005 or 2006, maybe 2007...so I assume it has ABS. Is >>there anything special about it on those cars? Can it be done without a >>scan tool? > > > Dang, I thought you were going to ask about all the blood stains on the > pavement from drivers killed by driving those things. It's amazing how you can still post after one left your brain splattered all over the street... But when one actually reads your posts, it's not such a mystery after all...
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 14 Feb 2010 02:16 On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:21:17 -0500, Nate Nagel wrote: > On 2/13/2010 9:17 PM, Bob Jones wrote: >> "Nate Nagel"<njnagel(a)roosters.net> wrote in message >> news:hl78s5013n5(a)news5.newsguy.com... >>> On 2/13/2010 4:49 PM, M.M. wrote: >>>> My daughter's BF wants to change the brake fluid in his Corolla. It's >>>> a fairly late model...2005 or 2006, maybe 2007...so I assume it has >>>> ABS. Is there anything special about it on those cars? Can it be done >>>> without a scan tool? >>> >>> Should be OK if you use a pressure bleeder and don't let the MC run >>> dry. Mfgr. may not recommend changing brake fluid so do at your own >>> risk. I personally think it's a good idea. >>> >>> nate >>> >>> >> Why would any manufacturer recommends not changing the brake fluid? >> That's news to me. >> >> > At least as of a few years back GM did not. Their stance was that the > risk of the water in the brake fluid causing a failure of something > brake-related over the expected lifetime of the vehicle was less than the > risk of introducing debris into the ABS unit by flushing. Of course, if > you plan on keeping your vehicle longer than the manufacturer expects you > to do... > > nate Can a GM product MAKE it to the point of having to change anything?
From: Scott Dorsey on 14 Feb 2010 08:08 Bob Jones <email(a)me.not> wrote: >"Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)roosters.net> wrote in message >> On 2/13/2010 4:49 PM, M.M. wrote: >>> My daughter's BF wants to change the brake fluid in his Corolla. It's a >>> fairly late model...2005 or 2006, maybe 2007...so I assume it has ABS. >>> Is there anything special about it on those cars? Can it be done without >>> a scan tool? >> >> Should be OK if you use a pressure bleeder and don't let the MC run dry. >> Mfgr. may not recommend changing brake fluid so do at your own risk. I >> personally think it's a good idea. >> > >Why would any manufacturer recommends not changing the brake fluid? That's >news to me. For the same reason so many manufacturers no longer recommend changing the transmission fluid at all: they want to sell you a new car when yours falls apart. BMW is interesting... they started offering free scheduled maintenance for the first few years of the car, and at the same time a lot of things dropped off the maintenance schedule. In fact, almost everything dropped off the maintenance schedule; they now offer "lifetime fill" transmissions as well. Mind you, the lifetime is a lot shorter than it should be... --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: Nate Nagel on 14 Feb 2010 08:44 On 2/14/2010 2:16 AM, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote: > On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:21:17 -0500, Nate Nagel wrote: > >> On 2/13/2010 9:17 PM, Bob Jones wrote: >>> "Nate Nagel"<njnagel(a)roosters.net> wrote in message >>> news:hl78s5013n5(a)news5.newsguy.com... >>>> On 2/13/2010 4:49 PM, M.M. wrote: >>>>> My daughter's BF wants to change the brake fluid in his Corolla. It's >>>>> a fairly late model...2005 or 2006, maybe 2007...so I assume it has >>>>> ABS. Is there anything special about it on those cars? Can it be done >>>>> without a scan tool? >>>> >>>> Should be OK if you use a pressure bleeder and don't let the MC run >>>> dry. Mfgr. may not recommend changing brake fluid so do at your own >>>> risk. I personally think it's a good idea. >>>> >>>> nate >>>> >>>> >>> Why would any manufacturer recommends not changing the brake fluid? >>> That's news to me. >>> >>> >> At least as of a few years back GM did not. Their stance was that the >> risk of the water in the brake fluid causing a failure of something >> brake-related over the expected lifetime of the vehicle was less than the >> risk of introducing debris into the ABS unit by flushing. Of course, if >> you plan on keeping your vehicle longer than the manufacturer expects you >> to do... >> >> nate > > > Can a GM product MAKE it to the point of having to change anything? > > Sure, I had to have the brakes replaced on my last company car at about 50K miles :/ I ASSume that that was due to lots of city driving combined with a ridiculously loose torque converter. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel
From: Vic Smith on 14 Feb 2010 12:17
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:17:15 -0600, "Bob Jones" <email(a)me.not> wrote: > >"Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)roosters.net> wrote in message >news:hl78s5013n5(a)news5.newsguy.com... >> On 2/13/2010 4:49 PM, M.M. wrote: >>> My daughter's BF wants to change the brake fluid in his Corolla. It's a >>> fairly late model...2005 or 2006, maybe 2007...so I assume it has ABS. >>> Is there anything special about it on those cars? Can it be done without >>> a scan tool? >> >> Should be OK if you use a pressure bleeder and don't let the MC run dry. >> Mfgr. may not recommend changing brake fluid so do at your own risk. I >> personally think it's a good idea. >> >> nate >> > >Why would any manufacturer recommends not changing the brake fluid? That's >news to me. > It's old news. According to this, Ford, Chryco and GM said it was unnecessary as of 2001. http://www.aa1car.com/library/procut3b.htm Believe it or not. I have never changed brake fluid in my cars, and have not had any brake failures. One of my cars, a '90 Corsica, probably has 20 year old fluid. The fluid is certainly at least 12 years old, which is how long I've had it. Brakes are just fine. The whole brake fluid change thing was probably started by caliper/wheel cylinder manufacturers, brake fluid producers, brake flush outfits, and the EZ-Out company. Not enough traffic for fluid flushes, and back yard mechs not buying brake fluid, and not cracking off enough bleeders, so they figured "Hey, if we get the suckers to change fluid, business will skyrocket." Their campaign worked. --Vic |