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From: D Walford on 31 Jul 2010 10:33 On 31/07/2010 10:10 PM, Feral wrote: > OzOne(a)Crackerbox-Palace.com wrote: >> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:39:31 +1000, D Walford >> <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote: >> >>> On 31/07/2010 7:57 PM, Feral wrote: >>> >>>> It *never* handled like "a knob of butter on a hot frying pan" Bighead, >>>> it just handles better *now*. And rides better. >>> >>> Please detail the changes you made that made such a big improvement. >> >> Please underline the section where "big" was used! >> >>> What were the OE tyres and what did you replace them with? >>> Did you do anything like changing springs and shockers or just an >>> alignment? >>> Good tyres can make a huge difference but whilst an alignment can help >>> its unlikely to its unlikely to make that much difference unless the OE >>> setting where very wrong. >>> >>> >>> Daryl >> >> Oh and taking out the factory positive camber, lack of caster and toe >> in will make any car handle "better" > > Spot on and the wider GIII's and experimenting with front/rear pressures > completes the cheap, cost effective package. Neutral "toe" works > remarkably well on the FWD, What's the factory setting? Some fwd cars are set from the factory with toe out because they toe in under power so if yours is set to zero it will actually have toe in when its moving. Mate added an extra 3deg of caster to his Lotus 7 and apparently it made a huge difference to the steering feel which has always felt too vague for my liking. the front doesn't wander when going straight > ahead and the steering is light until pressed hard into a corner, when > it goes into oversteer and you feel like you're drifting without > skidding. Oversteer on a fwd car under power? Eerie feeling, but safe. It's like a car out of body > alignment, crabbing. Get the drift? > > BTW Daz, the crappy, skinny fitted Dunlops lasted 35k km. That's with > rotation, but it didn't stop the outside wear and feathering. Couldn't > wait to get rid of them. > > Makes one wonder why they factory set them like they do. I've got > Supercats of the same size on now, but they aren't as good as the GIII's > (no longer available for the Avalon). > OE tyres especially on locally made cars are usually pretty ordinary so it doesn't take much to make a significant improvement. EF Falcon we owned was fitted with Dunlop Monzas which were bloody dangerous in the wet but they would last for a lot of klms, fitting a good set of Pirelli's transformed the car. Same with the light truck tyres on the Hilux, they look like lasting for ever but they have sfa grip. Daryl
From: Jason James on 31 Jul 2010 15:52 <OzOne(a)Crackerbox-Palace.com> wrote in message news:2rv756hua3pqlkhd3e7guhhvrshrlh1eof(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:39:31 +1000, D Walford > <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote: > >>On 31/07/2010 7:57 PM, Feral wrote: >> >>> It *never* handled like "a knob of butter on a hot frying pan" Bighead, >>> it just handles better *now*. And rides better. >> >>Please detail the changes you made that made such a big improvement. > > Please underline the section where "big" was used! > >>What were the OE tyres and what did you replace them with? >>Did you do anything like changing springs and shockers or just an >>alignment? >>Good tyres can make a huge difference but whilst an alignment can help >>its unlikely to its unlikely to make that much difference unless the OE >>setting where very wrong. >> >> >>Daryl > > Oh and taking out the factory positive camber, lack of caster and toe > in will make any car handle "better" I'm very surprised Toyota use positive front-wheel camber on any of their relatively recent cars,..unless we're talking a very small amount> 1/2 degree or so. Caster improves tracking at hiway speeds, but makes parking much heavier *unless* the vehicle has PSteering,..which it does,..so it makes me wonder why they used so little. Jason.
From: Jason James on 31 Jul 2010 16:03 "Noddy" <me(a)home.com> wrote in message news:4c538ffd$0$12393$c30e37c6(a)exi-reader.telstra.net... The car was exactly the same wheelbase as > a Falcon wagon, and the difference in ride quality between a Fairlane and > a wagon was in spring rates and seat quality. Aye,..the EA was the last Falcon with springs in its seats. The next models had some sort of foam rubbish poured into the squab shells. The difference in ride comfort for someone with a stuffed back was immense IMO. Jason
From: Milton on 31 Jul 2010 20:39 "D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message news:4c52aec6$0$11111$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > On 30/07/2010 8:07 PM, Noddy wrote: >> "D Walford"<dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message >> news:4c528938$0$11095$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> >>> If the ute was empty the Getz would win easily but if the Rodeo is >>> anything like the Hilux a load of at least 150kg settles down the ride >>> considerably making it quite comfortable. >> >> Yeah, it does, but it's still a choppy ride. >> >> Not that I'm ever likely to own one, but for what it's worth I find the >> Getz >> to be a *very* comfortable and smooth riding little car that handles >> exceptionally well. > > My youngest is looking to buy a new small car and the i30 is currently at > the top of his list. > > > Daryl They are a beaut car, especially the TDI for economy, but overpriced. You can but 2 that's right 2 Getz for one i30 TDI. The Getz is without question the best value bang for buck car on the road today and they are a great drive with surprisingly plenty of room in the front for big guys like me. Regards Milton
From: Milton on 31 Jul 2010 20:55
"Noddy" <me(a)home.com> wrote in message news:4c50f70b$0$12395$c30e37c6(a)exi-reader.telstra.net... > > <OzOne(a)Crackerbox-Palace.com> wrote in message > news:4io156pr4lrnds28huu7s5i09bberv2sa0(a)4ax.com... > >> It's either because you are uneducated, ignorant of facts, or need to >> not agree with anything I say. > > I've told you before Ozliar. I only echo the bullshit *you* freely elect > to put up, and I do that just to make sure that no one missed it. > Trouble here for you Nods is ...it is you who is being made to look the fool here. Judging by your support from your very "close" arselickers in here, you're relatively on your own...as you should be...even your club members don't agree with you, they say it by not saying anything. Regards Milton |