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From: Ret. on 4 Mar 2010 11:35 Steve Walker wrote: > Ret. wrote: >> >> But if there was something sufficiently covert going on to warrant >> the presence of armed officers, then the scenario would be totally >> different, and shooting the supporter believing him to be a possible >> terrorist may have been justifiable. > > Thank you for replying honestly. > > And if that had happened, I would've said it was another example of > shameful police killing (mentioning Harry Stanley & Charles De > Menezes no doubt, because people like me tend to go on about those > cases). > And then you would've said that they put themselves in harm's way by > their own aggressive/suspicious behaviour, or that the Police had to > do what they thought was best in split second, etc. > > So my question is why you don't extend that 'benefit of the doubt' to > a gyrocopter pilot who appareas to have sincerely believed he was > facing imminent & serious assault? I cannot possibly comment precisely upon imaginary scenarios. I used the word 'may' intentionally, because without knowing just what military operation was being conducted, and what the potential risk of terrorist activity to prevent it was, the whole scenario is impossible. Kev
From: damduck-egg on 4 Mar 2010 11:37 On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:59:52 -0500, Mike Ross <mike(a)corestore.org> wrote: >On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:52:03 +0000, damduck-egg(a)yahoo.co.uk wrote: > and the chance to impart what he thinks is >>expert knowledge to those who can work such things out for themselves. >>ICBW of course. > >You are. Never a plane-spotter; occasional pilot (been very lazy but might just >finally get my license this summer), and amateur gas turbine engineer. Currently >building a gas turbine / electric hybrid car. > >Out-of-date turbine stuff is here: http://www.corestore.org/turbine.htm Fair enough, Sounds an interesting project. best of luck with it. i think i came across your hydrosite once while looking for something else to do with Glasgows water supply. G.Harman
From: Ophelia on 4 Mar 2010 11:55 <damduck-egg(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:bnivo5d77utt6s9gbs0luahk68ij2jv37h(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:46:10 -0000, "Ophelia" <Ophelia(a)Elsinore.me.uk> > wrote: > >> >> >><damduck-egg(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message >> >>> But in your description below aren't you just overcooking the status >>> of Long Marston, the RAF moved out over 50 years ago it was hardly a V >>> bomber base. >> >>It was indeed part of Bomber Command... Victors I think. >> > Bomber command yes, but the RAF left it in 1954, The first V bomber > base was Gaydon in Warwickshire in 1954 so I stand by my statement > that Long Marston was not a V bomber base. Victors became operational > in 1957. OK it was just a guess. I used to live under that flight path for Waddington... Vulcans....lovely aircraft:) -- https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
From: Steve Walker on 4 Mar 2010 11:56 Alex Potter wrote: > On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:29:59 +0000, Ret. wrote: > >> Indeed, but hacking the other person's head off in order to avoid >> confrontation is a bit OTT don't you think? > > Oh, I don't know... > > OTOH, unless and until we see the video of the incident, we have no way > of knowing what went on. I just want to see it *before* it goes through bennyhillifier.com and onto Youtube....
From: NM on 4 Mar 2010 12:22
On 4 Mar, 14:32, "Steve Walker" <spam-t...(a)beeb.net> wrote: > The Todal wrote: > > Moving forward slowly so as to nudge someone out of the way might be > > reasonable and might negate the inference of gross negligence - after > > all, it's a question of what the defendant ought to have foreseen, not > > merely a question of what injury was actually caused. But evidently the > > prosecution deny that the defendant moved forward slowly. > > > The report on the BBC site says: > > > Mr Evans [prosecuting] said there was no doubt that Mr Morse wanted to > > stop the gyrocopter from taking off. He also said Mr Griffiths had not > > gently inched his way in the gyrocopter towards Mr Morse but had > > travelled at speed. "We say the defendant deliberately chose to drive > > quickly at Mr Morse and face the consequences, when he could have driven > > slowly towards Mr Morse until he had a gap." > > Yes, but as I've posted lower down, Mr Morse's companion yesterday stated > that: > > Mr Morse, drove the Warwickshire Hunts Land Rover within inches of the > gyrocopters nose in an attempt to prevent it taking off. <and> The > gyrocopter started and it moved forward and hit Trevor. She said it > initially nudged him but, despite repeated requests for him to stand clear > of the aircraft, Mr Morse stood his ground.http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article7048129.ece > > This appears contradictory (unless the pilot first tried to nudge and then > backed-up before charging forward again at speed). > > Actually, can a gyro reverse on the ground anyway...? No |