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From: GT on 15 Jul 2010 04:58 "brass monkey" <a(a)b.com> wrote in message news:4c3e502a$0$28821$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > > "brass monkey" <a(a)b.com> wrote in message > news:4c3e48b4$0$28806$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> >> "Harry Bloomfield" <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:mn.757d7da77e0d82da.106911(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk... >>> "brass monkey" <a(a)b.com> wrote in message >>>>> "alan.holmes" <alan.holmes27(a)somewhere.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:iJL_n.207405$Yb4.142523(a)hurricane... >>>>>> I find that often I am following a car, which suddenly rams on it's >>>>>> brakes and indicates to turn left immediately when they get to the >>>>>> turning! >>>>>> I was always taught to indicate early at least 50 - 100 yards before >>>>>> the turnoff, but few, if any drivers these days do that, they all >>>>>> seem to wait until they are just about to turn then indicate and >>>>>> turn. >>>>> You find that they actually indicate? >>>>> And with traffic lights near me, my road and the opposite road are >>>>> single lane, so both sides either turn right, left or go straight on. >>>>> When we change to amber I indicate to turn right and wait for the dope >>>>> opposite to let me know where he's going. >>> >>> Which is a very selfish attitude to take. You should already be >>> indicating on the approach and why call the driver approaching from the >>> other direction a dope for not indicating? >> >> I indicate on the approach to lights but if I get stopped on red I'm not >> sitting there flashing for minutes. When the opposing lights change to >> amber I start indicating again. 'Dope' because virtually nobody indicates >> that they'll be turning right at this particular junction. I.e, I'm >> waiting to turn right but almost everyone indicates that they are coming >> straight across, which they don't. >> Trust no-one. > > Here is the crossing in question if you put DY8 5RT into > aboutmyplace.co.uk on birdseye and full zoom. > I'm usually coming from the right to turn right, the North/South road is > fairly rammed most of the day. > There's another prob here, if I'm going North and want to turn right, only > left and straight-on are marked with arrows. If I stay in the straight-on > lane I'm obstructing the guaranteed queue behind me (you can see the steam > rising), if I move over to the right of centre I then get somebody coming > straight-on Southwards in the wrong (turn right) lane, can't win. > According to the road markings, the road on the right is inaccessible > except from the west :D So, in addition to not signalling, you are turning right when you shouldn't. And *you* are complaining about the person coming the other way???
From: Mr. Benn on 15 Jul 2010 05:09 "The Peeler" <peelingthe(a)invalid.admin> wrote in message news:d9vs36hlrqvlctrftu5uaqh66r9giu0jp9(a)4ax.com... > On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:54:04 +0100, "mileburner" > <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > >> >>"alan.holmes" <alan.holmes27(a)somewhere.net> wrote in message >>news:YZn%n.133041$sD7.11983(a)hurricane... >>> >>> I find that often I am following a car, which suddenly rams on it's >>> brakes >>> and indicates to turn left immediately when they get to the turning! >>> >>> I was always taught to indicate early at least 50 - 100 yards before the >>> turnoff, but few, if any drivers these days do that, they all seem to >>> wait >>> until they are just about to turn then indicate and turn. >> >>I was taught to leave a safe distance in front so that if the driver in >>front brakes sharply, it does not matter :-) > > Nowadays, if you leave a safe distance, someone will inevitably > overtake you and fill it. You only need to leave a 2 second gap. Not half a mile.
From: JNugent on 15 Jul 2010 05:12 Mr. Benn wrote: > > "The Peeler" <peelingthe(a)invalid.admin> wrote in message > news:d9vs36hlrqvlctrftu5uaqh66r9giu0jp9(a)4ax.com... >> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:54:04 +0100, "mileburner" >> <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> "alan.holmes" <alan.holmes27(a)somewhere.net> wrote in message >>> news:YZn%n.133041$sD7.11983(a)hurricane... >>>> >>>> I find that often I am following a car, which suddenly rams on it's >>>> brakes >>>> and indicates to turn left immediately when they get to the turning! >>>> >>>> I was always taught to indicate early at least 50 - 100 yards before >>>> the >>>> turnoff, but few, if any drivers these days do that, they all seem >>>> to wait >>>> until they are just about to turn then indicate and turn. >>> >>> I was taught to leave a safe distance in front so that if the driver in >>> front brakes sharply, it does not matter :-) >> >> Nowadays, if you leave a safe distance, someone will inevitably >> overtake you and fill it. > > You only need to leave a 2 second gap. Not half a mile. Doesn't the HC advise leaving a gap into which an overtaking vehicle *could* move? If it doesn't today, it certainly used to.
From: Mr. Benn on 15 Jul 2010 05:55 "JNugent" <jenningsltd(a)fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:8a81n8Fs1iU3(a)mid.individual.net... > Mr. Benn wrote: >> >> "The Peeler" <peelingthe(a)invalid.admin> wrote in message >> news:d9vs36hlrqvlctrftu5uaqh66r9giu0jp9(a)4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:54:04 +0100, "mileburner" >>> <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> "alan.holmes" <alan.holmes27(a)somewhere.net> wrote in message >>>> news:YZn%n.133041$sD7.11983(a)hurricane... >>>>> >>>>> I find that often I am following a car, which suddenly rams on it's >>>>> brakes >>>>> and indicates to turn left immediately when they get to the turning! >>>>> >>>>> I was always taught to indicate early at least 50 - 100 yards before >>>>> the >>>>> turnoff, but few, if any drivers these days do that, they all seem to >>>>> wait >>>>> until they are just about to turn then indicate and turn. >>>> >>>> I was taught to leave a safe distance in front so that if the driver in >>>> front brakes sharply, it does not matter :-) >>> >>> Nowadays, if you leave a safe distance, someone will inevitably >>> overtake you and fill it. >> >> You only need to leave a 2 second gap. Not half a mile. > > Doesn't the HC advise leaving a gap into which an overtaking vehicle > *could* move? > > If it doesn't today, it certainly used to. It doesn't seem unreasonable. A bit more reasonable than the people who think it's ok not to leave a safe gap in case they get overtaken.
From: mileburner on 15 Jul 2010 06:02
"Squashme" <squashme(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:9be0e36b-5771-41f0-b2dd-e1e38f27bc00(a)d16g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > On 14 July, 11:43, JNugent <jennings...(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: >> Squashme wrote: >> > JNugent <jennings...(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: >> >> Squashme wrote: >> >>> JNugent <jennings...(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: >> >>>> alan.holmes wrote: >> >>>>> I find that often I am following a car, which suddenly rams on it's >> >>>>> brakes >> >>>>> and indicates to turn left immediately when they get to the >> >>>>> turning! >> >>>>> I was always taught to indicate early at least 50 - 100 yards >> >>>>> before the >> >>>>> turnoff, but few, if any drivers these days do that, they all seem >> >>>>> to wait >> >>>>> until they are just about to turn then indicate and turn. >> >>>> I agree on the "correct" way to do it, and in an ideal world one >> >>>> would always >> >>>> do it. But there can be situations where the left-turning driver >> >>>> judges that >> >>>> not indiucating left in advance can be a wise(r) way to proceed than >> >>>> the >> >>>> standard method. >> >>>> A good example would be approaching your left turn and noting that >> >>>> there is a >> >>>> large HGV or a bus waiting to turn right into it from the opposite >> >>>> direction. >> >>>> Give the driver enough notice and he'll be tempted to turn in front >> >>>> of you >> >>>> and then you'll be stuck behind him. And that is Not Good (depending >> >>>> on the >> >>>> type of road the turning is, of course). >> >>> And that would never do. >> >> Absolutely. If it is easily avoided (and it is), it's better avoided. >> > What pleasure you must take from these minor victories. >> >> If the topic is of so little moment, one marvels that you ever thought it >> necessary to take a contrary line. > > Oh, reason not the need! > > How about you drive along, overtake a cyclist, then turn left, not > having signalled, as you do not want to alert the oncoming right- > turning dustcart? This exciting surprise could be of some concern to > the cyclist. > > I suppose that you could claim that you protected him from the > potential action of the dustcart. If the cyclist was in a proper road position, the left tuning car would not be able to overtake. Riding close to the kerb encourages this behaviour. |