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From: mileburner on 15 Jul 2010 06:05 "Mr. Benn" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:i1mj7m$tvh$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "The Peeler" <peelingthe(a)invalid.admin> wrote in message > news:d9vs36hlrqvlctrftu5uaqh66r9giu0jp9(a)4ax.com... >> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:54:04 +0100, "mileburner" >> <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>"alan.holmes" <alan.holmes27(a)somewhere.net> wrote in message >>>news:YZn%n.133041$sD7.11983(a)hurricane... >>>> >>>> I find that often I am following a car, which suddenly rams on it's >>>> brakes >>>> and indicates to turn left immediately when they get to the turning! >>>> >>>> I was always taught to indicate early at least 50 - 100 yards before >>>> the >>>> turnoff, but few, if any drivers these days do that, they all seem to >>>> wait >>>> until they are just about to turn then indicate and turn. >>> >>>I was taught to leave a safe distance in front so that if the driver in >>>front brakes sharply, it does not matter :-) >> >> Nowadays, if you leave a safe distance, someone will inevitably >> overtake you and fill it. > > You only need to leave a 2 second gap. Not half a mile. I disagree, I always try to leave a 4 second gap between me and the car in front as it is safer and gives a more relaxed drive. Some drivers do see this as an opportunity to overtake but I don't see that being one car further back is really a problem.
From: Mr. Benn on 15 Jul 2010 06:28 "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message news:i1mmi3$9nt$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Mr. Benn" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message > news:i1mj7m$tvh$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "The Peeler" <peelingthe(a)invalid.admin> wrote in message >> news:d9vs36hlrqvlctrftu5uaqh66r9giu0jp9(a)4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:54:04 +0100, "mileburner" >>> <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"alan.holmes" <alan.holmes27(a)somewhere.net> wrote in message >>>>news:YZn%n.133041$sD7.11983(a)hurricane... >>>>> >>>>> I find that often I am following a car, which suddenly rams on it's >>>>> brakes >>>>> and indicates to turn left immediately when they get to the turning! >>>>> >>>>> I was always taught to indicate early at least 50 - 100 yards before >>>>> the >>>>> turnoff, but few, if any drivers these days do that, they all seem to >>>>> wait >>>>> until they are just about to turn then indicate and turn. >>>> >>>>I was taught to leave a safe distance in front so that if the driver in >>>>front brakes sharply, it does not matter :-) >>> >>> Nowadays, if you leave a safe distance, someone will inevitably >>> overtake you and fill it. >> >> You only need to leave a 2 second gap. Not half a mile. > > I disagree, I always try to leave a 4 second gap between me and the car in > front as it is safer and gives a more relaxed drive. Some drivers do see > this as an opportunity to overtake but I don't see that being one car > further back is really a problem. You are right - 4 seconds is better than 2 but I had meant to say a minimum of 2 seconds. It's an easy way of remembering how to keep a safe stopping distance. I generally keep a gap of considerably more than 2 seconds for more relaxed driving. I was mildly amused recently on the western stretch of the M25 car park in stop start traffic. Cars in front of me were repeatedly accelerating and then braking, progressing only a few metres each time. I kept a reasonable buffer gap in front of me and travelling at only a few mph was able to keep the car moving without all the stop start activity of the surrounding traffic. A driver behind me driving up my rear bumper obviously objected to my behaviour and undertook and pulled into my buffer zone ahead of me. It would have made negligible difference to that car driver's own progress.
From: brass monkey on 15 Jul 2010 07:41 "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:4c3ecda1$0$21626$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > "brass monkey" <a(a)b.com> wrote in message > news:4c3e502a$0$28821$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> >> "brass monkey" <a(a)b.com> wrote in message >> news:4c3e48b4$0$28806$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> >>> "Harry Bloomfield" <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message >>> news:mn.757d7da77e0d82da.106911(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk... >>>> "brass monkey" <a(a)b.com> wrote in message >>>>>> "alan.holmes" <alan.holmes27(a)somewhere.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:iJL_n.207405$Yb4.142523(a)hurricane... >>>>>>> I find that often I am following a car, which suddenly rams on it's >>>>>>> brakes and indicates to turn left immediately when they get to the >>>>>>> turning! >>>>>>> I was always taught to indicate early at least 50 - 100 yards >>>>>>> before the turnoff, but few, if any drivers these days do that, they >>>>>>> all seem to wait until they are just about to turn then indicate and >>>>>>> turn. >>>>>> You find that they actually indicate? >>>>>> And with traffic lights near me, my road and the opposite road are >>>>>> single lane, so both sides either turn right, left or go straight on. >>>>>> When we change to amber I indicate to turn right and wait for the >>>>>> dope opposite to let me know where he's going. >>>> >>>> Which is a very selfish attitude to take. You should already be >>>> indicating on the approach and why call the driver approaching from the >>>> other direction a dope for not indicating? >>> >>> I indicate on the approach to lights but if I get stopped on red I'm not >>> sitting there flashing for minutes. When the opposing lights change to >>> amber I start indicating again. 'Dope' because virtually nobody >>> indicates that they'll be turning right at this particular junction. >>> I.e, I'm waiting to turn right but almost everyone indicates that they >>> are coming straight across, which they don't. >>> Trust no-one. >> >> Here is the crossing in question if you put DY8 5RT into >> aboutmyplace.co.uk on birdseye and full zoom. >> I'm usually coming from the right to turn right, the North/South road is >> fairly rammed most of the day. >> There's another prob here, if I'm going North and want to turn right, >> only left and straight-on are marked with arrows. If I stay in the >> straight-on lane I'm obstructing the guaranteed queue behind me (you can >> see the steam rising), if I move over to the right of centre I then get >> somebody coming straight-on Southwards in the wrong (turn right) lane, >> can't win. According to the road markings, the road on the right is >> inaccessible except from the west :D > > So, in addition to not signalling, you are turning right when you > shouldn't. And *you* are complaining about the person coming the other > way??? I'm signalling alright, so you would turn left, then turn around and hit it from the West? Very good.
From: mileburner on 15 Jul 2010 10:04 "Mr. Benn" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:i1mns6$ef2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > You are right - 4 seconds is better than 2 but I had meant to say a > minimum of 2 seconds. It's an easy way of remembering how to keep a safe > stopping distance. I generally keep a gap of considerably more than 2 > seconds for more relaxed driving. > > I was mildly amused recently on the western stretch of the M25 car park in > stop start traffic. Cars in front of me were repeatedly accelerating and > then braking, progressing only a few metres each time. I kept a > reasonable buffer gap in front of me and travelling at only a few mph was > able to keep the car moving without all the stop start activity of the > surrounding traffic. A driver behind me driving up my rear bumper > obviously objected to my behaviour and undertook and pulled into my buffer > zone ahead of me. It would have made negligible difference to that car > driver's own progress. Indeed, this is typically what happens when you leave a reasonable buffer gap. Quite a number of drivers do object to the car behind overtaking and being the car in front but overall, it makes little difference to anyone's actual progress. I also find that when driving in busy towns, by keeping to a maximum of 20mph and anticipating what is happening ahead, it means that I have less stop starts, less time sitting in traffic queues, and less time stopping at lights. A number of drivers get quite anxious though and wonder why you are "holding them up" but driving at that speed adds no time at all to my overall journey time.
From: boltar2003 on 15 Jul 2010 10:36
On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:04:13 +0100 "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >I also find that when driving in busy towns, by keeping to a maximum of >20mph and anticipating what is happening ahead, it means that I have less >stop starts, less time sitting in traffic queues, and less time stopping at >lights. A number of drivers get quite anxious though and wonder why you are Its not that simple. If you drive slowly you may miss some green lights that you would otherwise have made it through and end up sitting at a red. Meanwhile 2 dozen cars from the side roads join the queue of traffic ahead of you. Rinse and repeat and you'll soon be a long way further back that you would otherwise have been and so will everyone behind you. >"holding them up" but driving at that speed adds no time at all to my >overall journey time. How do you know if you never drive fast anyway? B2003 |