Oil and Filter Change
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From: Jeff on 11 Oct 2007 10:03 Tegger wrote: > "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." <dwrousejr(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote in > news:6_mdnforhdDPkZPanZ2dnUVZ_v2unZ2d(a)nethere.com: > > >> So, is the reference point facing the head of the bolt and facing the >> front of the vehicle? Or facing head of the bolt and facing the rear >> of the vehicle? >> >> > > > > The reference point is that of an imaginary observer who is always able to > face the bolt head, with the threaded portion of the bolt pointing away > from him. This observer is supposed to be able to always face the bolt head > square-on no matter which direction the bolt is actually pointing, or what > parts happen to be in the way. > > If the top of the bolt turns to the right (clockwise) to tighten for such > an observer, the bolt is "right-hand thread". If the bolt turns the other > way to tighten (counterclockwise), it's "left-hand thread". > > 99% of the bolts you'll encounter in normal servicing will be "right-hand > thread". That left over 1% can be a killer! Or a life-saver! Some types of gas lines have left-handed threads, so you can connect them wrong or take them off by mistake. Jeff
From: Steve W. on 11 Oct 2007 10:40 Built_Well wrote: > > Ray O wrote: > >> ....API grade SM, which is what most, if not all, of the oil on the >> shelves in auto parts stores is. > ======== > > Today I saw Royal Purple oil at a store with an older API SL rating. > Saw a couple other brands like that, too, but can't remember who they > were--probably Napa house brand and one other brand. Those are great for older vehicles and for things like motorcycles that have a wet clutch. The newer oils don't work well in those applications as the additive package cause problems. They won't cause problems in newer vehicles though. -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York
From: Daniel W. Rouse Jr. on 11 Oct 2007 11:54 "Smitty Two" <prestwhich(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:prestwhich-AFA570.06171611102007(a)news.phx.highwinds-media.com... > In article <6_mdnforhdDPkZPanZ2dnUVZ_v2unZ2d(a)nethere.com>, > "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." <dwrousejr(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote: > > > "E Meyer" <epmeyer50(a)msn.com> wrote in message > > news:C3336DFA.294D9%epmeyer50(a)msn.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/11/07 5:34 AM, in article > > > HaGdnThQC9CwYZDanZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d(a)nethere.com, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." > > > <dwrousejr(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote: > > > > > > > "Built_Well" <built_well_toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:470d6c85$0$68465$892e0abb(a)auth.newsreader.octanews.com... > > > >> > > > >> I'm going to follow BadGolferMan's lead, and start > > > >> changing my own oil. > > > >> > > > > > > > > [snip...] > > > > > > > >> Use the correct size wrench to loosen (turn counter-clockwise) the oil > > > >> drain plug. Use a shop rag to protect your hand from the hot oil. Keep > > > >> a steady inward pressure on the plug to avoid the hot oil from running > > > >> down your arm. If oil seems too hot to touch, allow the oil to cool. > > > >> > > > > From which reference point is this counter-clockwise direction > > referenced? > > > > Facing the front of the car, or facing the rear of the car (when > > underneath > > > > the car)? > > > > > > > > It may seem like an obvious question, but no oil change manual or > > > > instruction set I have seen ever actually qualifies this. It seems > > > > important, though, because turning counter-clockwise from the wrong > > > > reference point would actually be turning more clockwise. > > > > > > > > [snip...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's just silly. The reference point is facing the head of the bolt. > > > > > > > I don't think it is silly, here's why. > > > > If I put the car on ramps and then go under the car, I can have my legs > > pointed facing the front or the rear of the vehicle. Looking up and applying > > a socket to the bolt... it's going to make a difference from which reference > > point is the counter-clockwise direction. > > > > Similarly, if I could get the car high enough on a hydraulic lift so that I > > could stand under it, I could look up at the head of the bolt facing the > > front or the rear of the vehicle. > > > > That's why I asked. The above response failed to sufficiently answer the > > question. > > > > So, is the reference point facing the head of the bolt and facing the front > > of the vehicle? Or facing head of the bolt and facing the rear of the > > vehicle? > > Are you trolling? If you don't know the difference between clockwise and > counterclockwise, take your car to jiffy lube. You can lie under the car > with your legs sticking out in any direction you want, clockwise is > still the same direction. Seriously. Try it. No, I am not trolling. Several responses that did answer the question without any sort of smart remark whatsoever referred to the possibility of left handed threads, that is why I was asking. I don't want to turn the bolt what seems to be logically counter-clockwise (i.e., towards the left when facing front or towards the right when facing rear) and end up snapping off the bolt due to over torquing it.
From: Daniel W. Rouse Jr. on 11 Oct 2007 12:10 "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." <dwrousejr(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote in message news:... > "Smitty Two" <prestwhich(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:prestwhich-AFA570.06171611102007(a)news.phx.highwinds-media.com... > > In article <6_mdnforhdDPkZPanZ2dnUVZ_v2unZ2d(a)nethere.com>, > > "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." <dwrousejr(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote: > > > > > "E Meyer" <epmeyer50(a)msn.com> wrote in message > > > news:C3336DFA.294D9%epmeyer50(a)msn.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/11/07 5:34 AM, in article > > > > HaGdnThQC9CwYZDanZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d(a)nethere.com, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." > > > > <dwrousejr(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "Built_Well" <built_well_toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:470d6c85$0$68465$892e0abb(a)auth.newsreader.octanews.com... > > > > >> > > > > >> I'm going to follow BadGolferMan's lead, and start > > > > >> changing my own oil. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > [snip...] > > > > > > > > > >> Use the correct size wrench to loosen (turn counter-clockwise) the > oil > > > > >> drain plug. Use a shop rag to protect your hand from the hot oil. > Keep > > > > >> a steady inward pressure on the plug to avoid the hot oil from > running > > > > >> down your arm. If oil seems too hot to touch, allow the oil to > cool. > > > > >> > > > > > From which reference point is this counter-clockwise direction > > > referenced? > > > > > Facing the front of the car, or facing the rear of the car (when > > > underneath > > > > > the car)? > > > > > > > > > > It may seem like an obvious question, but no oil change manual or > > > > > instruction set I have seen ever actually qualifies this. It seems > > > > > important, though, because turning counter-clockwise from the wrong > > > > > reference point would actually be turning more clockwise. > > > > > > > > > > [snip...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's just silly. The reference point is facing the head of the > bolt. > > > > > > > > > > I don't think it is silly, here's why. > > > > > > If I put the car on ramps and then go under the car, I can have my legs > > > pointed facing the front or the rear of the vehicle. Looking up and > applying > > > a socket to the bolt... it's going to make a difference from which > reference > > > point is the counter-clockwise direction. > > > > > > Similarly, if I could get the car high enough on a hydraulic lift so > that I > > > could stand under it, I could look up at the head of the bolt facing the > > > front or the rear of the vehicle. > > > > > > That's why I asked. The above response failed to sufficiently answer the > > > question. > > > > > > So, is the reference point facing the head of the bolt and facing the > front > > > of the vehicle? Or facing head of the bolt and facing the rear of the > > > vehicle? > > > > Are you trolling? If you don't know the difference between clockwise and > > counterclockwise, take your car to jiffy lube. You can lie under the car > > with your legs sticking out in any direction you want, clockwise is > > still the same direction. Seriously. Try it. > > No, I am not trolling. > > Several responses that did answer the question without any sort of smart > remark whatsoever referred to the possibility of left handed threads, that > is why I was asking. I don't want to turn the bolt what seems to be > logically counter-clockwise (i.e., towards the left when facing front or > towards the right when facing rear) and end up snapping off the bolt due to > over torquing it. > For further clarification, replace "left" with driver's side and "right" with passenger side, as the wrench rotation of "conter-clockwise" will always be a left rotation.
From: E Meyer on 11 Oct 2007 12:31
On 10/11/07 11:10 AM, in article rYudnckT7IZ615PanZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d(a)nethere.com, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." <dwrousejr(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote: > "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." <dwrousejr(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote in message > news:... >> "Smitty Two" <prestwhich(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:prestwhich-AFA570.06171611102007(a)news.phx.highwinds-media.com... >>> In article <6_mdnforhdDPkZPanZ2dnUVZ_v2unZ2d(a)nethere.com>, >>> "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." <dwrousejr(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote: >>> >>>> "E Meyer" <epmeyer50(a)msn.com> wrote in message >>>> news:C3336DFA.294D9%epmeyer50(a)msn.com... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/11/07 5:34 AM, in article >>>>> HaGdnThQC9CwYZDanZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d(a)nethere.com, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." >>>>> <dwrousejr(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Built_Well" <built_well_toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:470d6c85$0$68465$892e0abb(a)auth.newsreader.octanews.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm going to follow BadGolferMan's lead, and start >>>>>>> changing my own oil. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [snip...] >>>>>> >>>>>>> Use the correct size wrench to loosen (turn counter-clockwise) > the >> oil >>>>>>> drain plug. Use a shop rag to protect your hand from the hot oil. >> Keep >>>>>>> a steady inward pressure on the plug to avoid the hot oil from >> running >>>>>>> down your arm. If oil seems too hot to touch, allow the oil to >> cool. >>>>>>> >>>>>> From which reference point is this counter-clockwise direction >>>> referenced? >>>>>> Facing the front of the car, or facing the rear of the car (when >>>> underneath >>>>>> the car)? >>>>>> >>>>>> It may seem like an obvious question, but no oil change manual or >>>>>> instruction set I have seen ever actually qualifies this. It seems >>>>>> important, though, because turning counter-clockwise from the > wrong >>>>>> reference point would actually be turning more clockwise. >>>>>> >>>>>> [snip...] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's just silly. The reference point is facing the head of the >> bolt. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I don't think it is silly, here's why. >>>> >>>> If I put the car on ramps and then go under the car, I can have my > legs >>>> pointed facing the front or the rear of the vehicle. Looking up and >> applying >>>> a socket to the bolt... it's going to make a difference from which >> reference >>>> point is the counter-clockwise direction. >>>> >>>> Similarly, if I could get the car high enough on a hydraulic lift so >> that I >>>> could stand under it, I could look up at the head of the bolt facing > the >>>> front or the rear of the vehicle. >>>> >>>> That's why I asked. The above response failed to sufficiently answer > the >>>> question. >>>> >>>> So, is the reference point facing the head of the bolt and facing the >> front >>>> of the vehicle? Or facing head of the bolt and facing the rear of the >>>> vehicle? >>> >>> Are you trolling? If you don't know the difference between clockwise and >>> counterclockwise, take your car to jiffy lube. You can lie under the car >>> with your legs sticking out in any direction you want, clockwise is >>> still the same direction. Seriously. Try it. >> >> No, I am not trolling. >> >> Several responses that did answer the question without any sort of smart >> remark whatsoever referred to the possibility of left handed threads, that >> is why I was asking. I don't want to turn the bolt what seems to be >> logically counter-clockwise (i.e., towards the left when facing front or >> towards the right when facing rear) and end up snapping off the bolt due > to >> over torquing it. >> > > For further clarification, replace "left" with driver's side and "right" > with passenger side, as the wrench rotation of "conter-clockwise" will > always be a left rotation. > > If you are facing the bolt, counter-clockwise is always counter-clockwise & clockwise is always clockwise. The usefulness of using left and right to describe which way to turn a bolt is open to negotiation. "Passenger-side" is totally irrelevant. |