From: Adrian on
"Mr Benn" <nospam(a)invalid.invalid> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

> Conor, it has already been explained. Talking to a passenger in a car
> is quite different to talking to someone on the end of a phone
> connection.

No, it isn't.

You might treat it differently, but there really is no inherent
difference.

> A passenger in a car knows when to shut up when a driver had to
> concentrate.

Some do, some don't.

> Someone on the end of a phone will carry on talking which can distract
> the driver.

You don't HAVE to listen to them, y'know.

One thing I'd quite like to know - how does the car stereo know when to
shut up?
From: Albert T Cone on
Ret. wrote:

>
> Well, I suppose it depends upon just how you define the term 'auto
> pilot' in relation to driving! Either way, safe driving demands full
> conscious attention to the task. Anything less reduces safety.
>
Hmmm. When you were first learning to drive, I would imagine that you
found the mechanics of driving taxing - I remember trying to drive a
figure of 8 whilst changing gears and finding it astonishingly
difficult. After some time and experience, these things become
automatic and are done, for the most part, subconsciously. Likewise,
when you drive nowadays, do you constantly think to yourself "Scan road
ahead, left mirror, rear mirror, right mirror, check instruments, scan
road ahead...."? I rather suspect that checking your mirrors is a
largely automatic task too, and that only if something out of the
ordinary is there during a check do you think about it consciously and
decide how to act.

I'm not suggesting that you don't think consciously at all about your
driving, but that *some* of what you do has become automated by
experience, and that exactly what is automated may vary from person to
person on the basis of their mental capacities and experience.
From: Conor on
On 19/03/2010 08:13, Ret. wrote:

> In what way? If you are not consciously concentrating on your driving -
> then you are on 'auto-pilot' in the general understanding of that term
> when applied to driving.

Really? If that is so, how come I've not had an accident in 1.8 million
miles?


--
Conor
I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.
From: Conor on
On 19/03/2010 08:42, Ret. wrote:

> This is America but:
>

Completely irrelevent...

> http://www.car-accidents.com/cell_phone_car_accidents.html
>
> Several studies show cell phones are a leading cause of car crashes. It
> is estimated that cell phone distracted drivers are four times more
> likely to be in a car wreck. According to a Harvard University study,
> cell phones cause over 200 deaths and half a million injuries each year.

In the USA, road deaths are THREE TIMES higher per 100,000 people than
they are in the UK (Source US Embassy Website)

In the USA there were over 39000 deaths last year yet they reckon cell
phones were POSSIBLY responsible for only 200 of those.

AND FINALLY, Remember this is in a country where texting whilst driving
is extremely commonplace, unlike the UK where people talk more whilst
driving.

--
Conor
I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.
From: JNugent on
Ian Jackson wrote:

> ... using a mobile phone got such a bad reputation that it was
> eventually banned as an activity in its own right. The degree of
> opprobrium is now so great that the police have pushed the definition of
> the 'use' of a phone to encompass using a phone when vehicle is
> stationary at the roadside (engine running, brake on) or, as the Jeremy
> Vine programme illustrated, handing (even momentarily touching) a phone
> when moving.

The police might have done so. It isn't at all clear that the law has.