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From: Jason James on 28 Jun 2008 02:33 "Noddy" <me(a)home.com> wrote in message news:486446e5$0$72428$c30e37c6(a)lon-reader.news.telstra.net... [. . .] > What he *should* have said was "Pouring water over the crankshaft will stop > it getting hot enough to spin a bearing during the 30 seconds of filming we > need to get done without the engine flying apart :) LOL! Come in spinner,..as they say. Jason
From: Kwyjibo on 28 Jun 2008 02:35 "John_H" <john4721(a)inbox.com> wrote in message news:c0ib645i7ej21jkgi9mrj9a4ibqi3c0mep(a)4ax.com... > Kwyjibo wrote: >>"John_H" <john4721(a)inbox.com> wrote in message >>news:5rra645erku840umj6sq7rh0fg4a8oq6g0(a)4ax.com... >>> D&M JOHNSTON wrote: >>>> >>>>The original Formula that was used in Slick 50 from 1978 till 1983 is >>>>now >>>>called Xcelplus and is only available in Australia by a company in >>>>Melbourne >>>>and through a website. >>> >>> Where do they get the Teflon� from? >> >>They can't use the word 'teflon' if dupont refused to let them, but they >>can >>put PTFE in their product as Dupont's patent would have expired about 40 >>or >>50 years ago > > But Teflon _was_ the magic ingredient in the _original_ formula. > And? > You can call a rose (or a turd) by any other name but you can't have > the original recipe without it! :) You can when it's just a different name for the same material. Teflon is just Dupont's name for PTFE. -- Kwyj.
From: John_H on 28 Jun 2008 03:30 Kwyjibo wrote: >"John_H" <john4721(a)inbox.com> wrote in message >news:c0ib645i7ej21jkgi9mrj9a4ibqi3c0mep(a)4ax.com... >> Kwyjibo wrote: >>>"John_H" <john4721(a)inbox.com> wrote in message >>>news:5rra645erku840umj6sq7rh0fg4a8oq6g0(a)4ax.com... >>>> D&M JOHNSTON wrote: >>>>> >>>>>The original Formula that was used in Slick 50 from 1978 till 1983 is >>>>>now >>>>>called Xcelplus and is only available in Australia by a company in >>>>>Melbourne >>>>>and through a website. >>>> >>>> Where do they get the Teflon� from? >>> >>>They can't use the word 'teflon' if dupont refused to let them, but they >>>can >>>put PTFE in their product as >> >> But Teflon _was_ the magic ingredient in the _original_ formula. >> > >And? > >> You can call a rose (or a turd) by any other name but you can't have >> the original recipe without it! :) > >You can when it's just a different name for the same material. Teflon is >just Dupont's name for PTFE. Why (and how) did the formula ever change then?... You said yourself "Dupont's patent would have expired about 40 or 50 years ago". So what happened just 25 years ago, in 1983? -- John H
From: Kwyjibo on 28 Jun 2008 05:53 "John_H" <john4721(a)inbox.com> wrote in message news:ohpb641ruk3g8p5j7num7sgaiigt75sf8e(a)4ax.com... > Kwyjibo wrote: >>"John_H" <john4721(a)inbox.com> wrote in message >>news:c0ib645i7ej21jkgi9mrj9a4ibqi3c0mep(a)4ax.com... >>> Kwyjibo wrote: >>>>"John_H" <john4721(a)inbox.com> wrote in message >>>>news:5rra645erku840umj6sq7rh0fg4a8oq6g0(a)4ax.com... >>>>> D&M JOHNSTON wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>The original Formula that was used in Slick 50 from 1978 till 1983 is >>>>>>now >>>>>>called Xcelplus and is only available in Australia by a company in >>>>>>Melbourne >>>>>>and through a website. >>>>> >>>>> Where do they get the Teflon� from? >>>> >>>>They can't use the word 'teflon' if dupont refused to let them, but they >>>>can >>>>put PTFE in their product as >>> >>> But Teflon _was_ the magic ingredient in the _original_ formula. >>> >> >>And? >> >>> You can call a rose (or a turd) by any other name but you can't have >>> the original recipe without it! :) >> >>You can when it's just a different name for the same material. Teflon is >>just Dupont's name for PTFE. > > Why (and how) did the formula ever change then?... > You said yourself "Dupont's patent would have expired about 40 or 50 > years ago". So what happened just 25 years ago, in 1983? Maybe originally they were buying it from Dupont which would mean they could say they were using Teflon. Then, once Dupont refused to sell it to them, they were no longer able to make that claim, even though the product still contained PTFE. Even though the patent expires, the trademark (on the name) is still valid. -- Kwyj.
From: John_H on 28 Jun 2008 18:31 Kwyjibo wrote: >"John_H" <john4721(a)inbox.com> wrote in message >news:ohpb641ruk3g8p5j7num7sgaiigt75sf8e(a)4ax.com... >> Kwyjibo wrote: >>>"John_H" <john4721(a)inbox.com> wrote in message >>>news:c0ib645i7ej21jkgi9mrj9a4ibqi3c0mep(a)4ax.com... >>>> Kwyjibo wrote: >>>>>"John_H" <john4721(a)inbox.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:5rra645erku840umj6sq7rh0fg4a8oq6g0(a)4ax.com... >>>>>> D&M JOHNSTON wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The original Formula that was used in Slick 50 from 1978 till 1983 is >>>>>>>now >>>>>>>called Xcelplus and is only available in Australia by a company in >>>>>>>Melbourne >>>>>>>and through a website. >>>>>> >>>>>> Where do they get the Teflon� from? >>>>> >>>>>They can't use the word 'teflon' if dupont refused to let them, but they >>>>>can >>>>>put PTFE in their product as >>>> >>>> But Teflon _was_ the magic ingredient in the _original_ formula. >>>> >>> >>>And? >>> >>>> You can call a rose (or a turd) by any other name but you can't have >>>> the original recipe without it! :) >>> >>>You can when it's just a different name for the same material. Teflon is >>>just Dupont's name for PTFE. >> >> Why (and how) did the formula ever change then?... >> You said yourself "Dupont's patent would have expired about 40 or 50 >> years ago". So what happened just 25 years ago, in 1983? > >Maybe originally they were buying it from Dupont which would mean they could >say they were using Teflon. Then, once Dupont refused to sell it to them, >they were no longer able to make that claim, even though the product still >contained PTFE. >Even though the patent expires, the trademark (on the name) is still valid. "There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza...." (and we've now done the complete circle)! :)) The dispute between Slick 50 and Dupont was about the _supply_ of teflon in the (supposedly) colloidal form used by Slick 50 (and others). The trade name was a minor issue by comparison. The reference was in the bit _you_ snipped from my original post, here it is again.... >>>>>>Where do they get the Teflon� from? >>>>>>AFAIK Dupont have long since refused to supply it to Slick 50, and >>>>>>others, as they deemed it unsuitable for the purpose. The original question still stands! (Unlike the original formula.) :) Now I've gotta go and see a man about a car... should be back in ten days or so. You're welcome to the last word on the topic. :) -- John H
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