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From: cuhulin on 3 Feb 2010 21:24
My 1914 Ford Model T Runabout Roadster car doesn't have a gas
pedal.There are three pedals on the floor.Stomp down on either one of
them and that will stop the car.But then, my Ford Model T can't run fast
enough to hardly get out of it's own way either.
cuhulin

From: David Z on 3 Feb 2010 21:32
"ransley" <Mark_Ransley(a)Yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d08d664f-de4d-44ec-a66f-79f4f0d3a9a3(a)u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 3, 7:06 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:37:47 -0500, David Z wrote:
>> >> I am going to assume that this WILL be a fix, but I will not forget
>> >> how
>> >> to shift to
>> >> neutral, brake, and punch the button.
>>
>> > That's another unanswered question I have. I can understand that the
>> > patrol officer was unaware that you need to hold the start button down
>> > for
>> > at least 3 seconds to shut the engine off. But how could he, or any of
>> > the other 3 (?) people in the car, not know how to shift the car into
>> > neutral?
>>
>> Supposedly he had moved the shift lever to the Sport Shift position,
>> where
>> average or below average drivers can fancy themselves as Michael
>> Schumacher at the Nurburgring. He had time to dial 911, but not to check
>> the gearshift lever.
>>
>> It was also a car supplied as a loaner. I said in another post people
>> have
>> become too complacent in their driving. KNOW the vehicle you are driving,
>> and how to control it in an emergency. EVERY TIME a pilot gets into a
>> plane he has flown 1,000 times, he goes through a checklist.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Also, you snipped and ignored my main question -- why isn't the ES350
>> > included in the recall since it was an ES350 that initially publicized
>> > this problem?
>>
>> It was the floor mats in that case. Not the Japan sourced gas pedal.
>
> More likely he was at fault and called 911 after the accident and the
> car was stopped. I dont think anybody would be able to get their
> phone, dial, send, wait, then talk, or even think of that while a
> crash was in view. I would do Neutral or R or P and emergency brake,
> then ignition, then Call 911. These guys do have training on cars.

He crashed at about 120 mph. He was dead on impact.


From: David Z on 3 Feb 2010 21:37
"David Z" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "ransley" <Mark_Ransley(a)Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d08d664f-de4d-44ec-a66f-79f4f0d3a9a3(a)u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 3, 7:06 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:37:47 -0500, David Z wrote:
>>> >> I am going to assume that this WILL be a fix, but I will not forget
>>> >> how
>>> >> to shift to
>>> >> neutral, brake, and punch the button.
>>>
>>> > That's another unanswered question I have. I can understand that the
>>> > patrol officer was unaware that you need to hold the start button down
>>> > for
>>> > at least 3 seconds to shut the engine off. But how could he, or any
>>> > of
>>> > the other 3 (?) people in the car, not know how to shift the car into
>>> > neutral?
>>>
>>> Supposedly he had moved the shift lever to the Sport Shift position,
>>> where
>>> average or below average drivers can fancy themselves as Michael
>>> Schumacher at the Nurburgring. He had time to dial 911, but not to check
>>> the gearshift lever.
>>>
>>> It was also a car supplied as a loaner. I said in another post people
>>> have
>>> become too complacent in their driving. KNOW the vehicle you are
>>> driving,
>>> and how to control it in an emergency. EVERY TIME a pilot gets into a
>>> plane he has flown 1,000 times, he goes through a checklist.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Also, you snipped and ignored my main question -- why isn't the ES350
>>> > included in the recall since it was an ES350 that initially publicized
>>> > this problem?
>>>
>>> It was the floor mats in that case. Not the Japan sourced gas pedal.
>>
>> More likely he was at fault and called 911 after the accident and the
>> car was stopped. I dont think anybody would be able to get their
>> phone, dial, send, wait, then talk, or even think of that while a
>> crash was in view. I would do Neutral or R or P and emergency brake,
>> then ignition, then Call 911. These guys do have training on cars.
>
> He crashed at about 120 mph. He was dead on impact.

Actually, he may have died in the fire and explosion from the crash. In any
event, listening to the 911 call, there's absolutely no doubt that the 911
call was prior to the crash. If you google it you may be able to listen to
the call. From reading your post, I doubt you've even heard the call.


From: Al Falfa on 3 Feb 2010 21:41


"ransley" <Mark_Ransley(a)Yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> More likely he was at fault and called 911 after the accident and the
> car was stopped. I dont think anybody would be able to get their
> phone, dial, send, wait, then talk, or even think of that while a
> crash was in view. I would do Neutral or R or P and emergency brake,
> then ignition, then Call 911. These guys do have training on cars.

A passenger called 911 as the car raced through traffic. Everyone in the
car died.


From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 3 Feb 2010 22:42
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:29:31 -0500, David Z wrote:

>>> That's another unanswered question I have. I can understand that the
>>> patrol officer was unaware that you need to hold the start button down
>>> for
>>> at least 3 seconds to shut the engine off. But how could he, or any of
>>> the other 3 (?) people in the car, not know how to shift the car into
>>> neutral?
>>
>> Supposedly he had moved the shift lever to the Sport Shift position...
>
> Are you saying that you can't easily shift from drive to neutral in "the
> Sport Shift position?"

It goes through a gate to get to the sport mode. You access the gate from
the D position. You'd have to go back to D and then to N. I think it
should take less than, oh, 30 seconds or so...

>
>> ...where average or below average drivers can fancy themselves as
>> Michael Schumacher at the Nurburgring. He had time to dial 911, but not
>> to check the gearshift lever.
>
> I heard the 911 call a few times. He had plenty of time. At least 30
> seconds or more. I would need no more than 1 or 2 seconds to shift from
> drive to neutral.

Are You Smarter Than A CHiP? New game show!!!

I guess I shouldn't poke fun, but JEEZE!!!!

I had an accelerator lock up on me wide open once. I can't remember what
car it was, but the aircraft cable throttle cable was rusty. All I really
remember is that I found neutral FAST!!!!!!!!!!!


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