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From: Lookout on 22 Jun 2010 17:39 On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:37:39 +0000 (UTC), Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On 2010-06-22, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:18:16 +0000 (UTC), Brent >><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>On 2010-06-22, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:42:10 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>>><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On 2010-06-22, Brian Wraith <brianwraith(a)newzealand.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> On 6/22/2010 12:04 PM, Brent wrote: >>>>>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:35:01 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>>>>>>> <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:35:43 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>>>>>>>>> <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've been a favor of a national ID card for 30 years. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >>>>>>>>>>> numbered. My life is my own." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You already are. You have a SSN and a drivers license. The government >>>>>>>>>> knows everything about you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why do you support making it worse? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's your opinion that it would get worse. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Name a police state where your papers were checked routinely to make >>>>>>> sure you were permitted to be in that country, work there, etc is one >>>>>>> you would like to live in. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Seems you missed the reference, it's from "The Prisoner". Why do you >>>>>>>>> wish to increase the imprisonment? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's your opinion. I disagree. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How turning the USA into a full blown 'paper's please' police state not >>>>>>> make things worse? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Name a single western country, where if you are stopped for suspicion of >>>>>> being involved in a crime, you are not asked to positively identify >>>>>> yourself. >>>>> >>>>>What crime am I suspected of at a police checkpoint? >>>>> >>>>>> The ignorant propaganda being spread by the "open border" socialist / >>>>>> marxists is simply far too transparent. >>>>> >>>>>Ahh another person who can't see through the programming. It's about >>>>>power. Both the left and right love power. You want to see how national >>>>>ID papers systems work? Pick a communist country and take a look. >>>>> >>>> Last time I checked we're not a communist country. >>> >>>Read the communist manifesto and see how much has been implemented. >> >> One last time..this ISN'T a communist nation. > >Sounds like you don't understand what communism is. >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto >10 point program of Communism > > 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land >to public purposes. > >-> Property taxes and the New London decision achieve this. > > 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. > >-> Have had that since 1913. > > 3. Abolition of all right of inheritance. > >-> various heavy taxes achieve this. > > 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. > >-> civil asset forfititure and other laws and executive orders. > > 5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a >national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. > >-> Federal Reserve Act, 1913. > > 6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the >hands of the State. > >-> FCC, access to government for reporting, CIA funding, etc. > US DOT, FAA, etc and so on. > > 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by >the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the >improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. > >-> Numerous regulations achieve this. BP oil disaster in the Gulf is but >the latest famous example on numerous levels. > > 8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial >armies, especially for agriculture. > >-> Countless labor regulations and acts including the minimum wage. > > 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual >abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more >equitable distribution of the population over the country. > >-> Various regulations and subsidies to agriculture which have favored >giant agri-business. > > 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of >children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education >with industrial production. > >->Compulsory school attendence has been around for a very long time now. > >The USA is rather uncomfortably like a communist country. >More details including specific laws, executive order numbers, etc here: >http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html > >>>But what makes you think our rulers are fundamentally better people than >>>the rulers in other nations? > >> You seem to be worried about other nations. I'm not. > >You seem fixated on 'can't happen here'. Our rulers are not >fundamentally better people, so yes, it can. > You're running in circles. Come up with something new if you want a dialog.
From: JohnJohnsn on 22 Jun 2010 21:32 On Jun 22, 8:01 pm, Zombywoof <fishwi...(a)live.com> wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:27:51 -0500, Lookout <mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:04:10 +0000 (UTC), Brent >> <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout <mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:35:01 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>>> <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout <mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:35:43 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>>>>> <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout <mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> I've been a favor of a national ID card for 30 years. > >>>>>>> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >>>>>>> numbered. My life is my own." > >>>>>> You already are. You have a SSN and a drivers license. >>>>>> The government knows everything about you. > >>>>> Why do you support making it worse? > >>>> It's your opinion that it would get worse. > >>> Name a police state where your papers were checked routinely >>> to make sure you were permitted to be in that country, work there, >>> etc is one you would like to live in. > >> Irrelevant to the US. > >>>>> Seems you missed the reference, it's from "The Prisoner". >>>>> Why do you wish to increase the imprisonment? > >>>> That's your opinion. I disagree. > >>> How turning the USA into a full blown 'paper's please' >>>police state not make things worse? > >> The good out weighs the bad in my opinion. > > What is the old saying about a person willing to give up > Freedoms to gain Security? They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." -- Benjamin Franklin
From: JohnJohnsn on 22 Jun 2010 21:33 On Jun 22, 7:55 pm, Zombywoof <fishwi...(a)live.com> wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:10:08 -0500, Lookout <mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:35:43 +0000 (UTC), Brent >> <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout <mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>> I've been a favor of a national ID card for 30 years. > >>> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >>> numbered. My life is my own." > >> You already are. You have a SSN and a drivers license. The government >> knows everything about you. > > Go grab your Social Security Card and read what it says on it. You're showing your age there, ;) They don't say that anymore. :(
From: Brent on 22 Jun 2010 22:09 On 2010-06-23, Zombywoof <fishwings(a)live.com> wrote: > All of the time would be an issue, but when registering kids in > school, getting a job, Drivers License (or any License), and voting I > see no problem with proving you are authorized to. Would you want any > old idiot to vote, send kids to school on your dime, get medical care > on your time, and/or drive on the same streets as you do without being > able to read the signs > > Uh wait, on second though -- don't answer that question! It's better than the alternative of needing government permission to do everything. Considering that our dear leaders have decided they can put up immigration checkpoints to check our papers within a 100 miles of a boarder. Probably has increased since I last checked. You want to stop illegal immigration? Do three things: 1) Get rid of the socialism. 2) Get rid of the imposed costs of labor (minimum wage, social security ponzi scheme, etc and so on). 3) End corporate and (never ending) individual welfare. This eliminates the attraction and will make the lower rungs of the job ladder once again available to american teenagers and other low skilled workers. Optionally Mexico and other nations from which large numbers of illegal immigrants come from could have their free markets restored and economically disasterous governments replaced and then there would really be no reason to come here.
From: Lookout on 22 Jun 2010 22:11
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:55:52 -0400, Zombywoof <fishwings(a)live.com> wrote: >On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:10:08 -0500, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> >wrote: > >>On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:35:43 +0000 (UTC), Brent >><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>On 2010-06-22, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I've been a favor of a national ID card for 30 years. >>> >>>"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >>>numbered. My life is my own." >> >>You already are. You have a SSN and a drivers license. The government >>knows everything about you. >> >Go grab your Social Security Card and read what it says on it. I have. |