Yet another pavement killing, by police this time.
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From: David Hansen on 6 Jun 2010 08:56 On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 04:42:41 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be webreader <websitereader(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote this:- >So putting cyclist in the text makes it on topic? In which group? It is certainly on topic for uk.rec.driving. uk.rec.cycling? Well we are constantly bombarded with claims of "killer cyclists" terrorising and murdering pedestrians as they walk along the pavement. These claims come from a number of people who appear to be Mr Toad style motorists. The counter to these stories is that it is important to consider the extent of the danger cyclists pose to pedestrians on the pavement, as opposed to the danger posed by other pedestrians and motorists. Doug has given us another data point. Cue loud responses which do everything except deal with the point. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/ukpga_20000023_en_8#pt3-pb3-l1g54
From: PeterG on 6 Jun 2010 09:02 On Jun 6, 1:56 pm, David Hansen <SENDdavidNOhS...(a)spidacom.co.uk> wrote: > On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 04:42:41 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be webreader > <websiterea...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote this:- > > >So putting cyclist in the text makes it on topic? > > In which group? > > It is certainly on topic for uk.rec.driving. > > uk.rec.cycling? Well we are constantly bombarded with claims of > "killer cyclists" terrorising and murdering pedestrians as they walk > along the pavement. These claims come from a number of people who > appear to be Mr Toad style motorists. The counter to these stories > is that it is important to consider the extent of the danger > cyclists pose to pedestrians on the pavement, as opposed to the > danger posed by other pedestrians and motorists. Doug has given us > another data point. > > Cue loud responses which do everything except deal with the point. > > -- > David Hansen, Edinburgh > I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me > http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/ukpga_20000023_en_8#pt3-pb3-l1g54 "Cue loud responses which do everything except deal with the point" Well you have given one, next please. PeterG
From: JNugent on 6 Jun 2010 09:14 David Hansen wrote: > On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 04:42:41 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be webreader > <websitereader(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote this:- > >> So putting cyclist in the text makes it on topic? > > In which group? > > It is certainly on topic for uk.rec.driving. > > uk.rec.cycling? Well we are constantly bombarded with claims of > "killer cyclists" terrorising and murdering pedestrians as they walk > along the pavement. No, we aren't. Terrorising, yes. Murdering, no. > These claims come from a number of people who > appear to be Mr Toad style motorists. I think you mean *pedestrians* who are threatened and in some cases, terrorised, by anti-social cyclists. > The counter to these stories > is that it is important to consider the extent of the danger > cyclists pose to pedestrians on the pavement That's all anyone ever wants emphasised. Cycling along the footway does not trhreaten me very much as a driver (though there is some threat there). It is as a pedestrian that I most object to that particular selfish law-breaking.
From: Nick on 6 Jun 2010 13:51 Derek Geldard wrote: > On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 19:11:22 +0100, Nick <Nick.spam(a)yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > >> Dr Zoidberg wrote: >> >>> The alternative is driving at 10mph or less to all emergencies. How many >>> people would die that way? >> I can see that ambulances and fire engines often need to drive at speed >> to save lives yet they seem to have a much lower accident rate than the >> police. >> >>> They need to strike a sensible balance between the severity of the >>> incident and the speed they drive at, but in the main they do this very >>> well. >>> >> This is the type of argument we always hear after the police have killed >> some innocent. I don't see any evidence that they do get the balance >> right. These are the type of people who see no problem with a risk >> assessment that leads them to shoot an innocent man because he might be >> about to explode a bomb, which he has somehow managed to hide under his >> T-shirt. >> > > Yeah, Whatever. (Yawn) > > Still not a transport issue and therefore off topic in > uk.rec.cycling,uk.rec.driving. > Issues related to car driving with respect to road safety do appear to be on topic http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.rec.driving.html. General transport issues apparently should be on uk.transport. Perhaps you would like to expand your argument? > Derek
From: Nick on 6 Jun 2010 13:56
The Medway Handyman wrote: > Nick wrote: >> Dr Zoidberg wrote: >> >>> The alternative is driving at 10mph or less to all emergencies. How >>> many people would die that way? >> I can see that ambulances and fire engines often need to drive at >> speed to save lives yet they seem to have a much lower accident rate >> than the police. > > And yet ambulance drivers and FRU medics (capable of much higher speeds) > have no specific driver training to speak off. Certainly with LAS you have > to pass your PSV test an your own expense prior to joining. Your point being? >>> They need to strike a sensible balance between the severity of the >>> incident and the speed they drive at, but in the main they do this >>> very well. >>> >> This is the type of argument we always hear after the police have >> killed some innocent. I don't see any evidence that they do get the >> balance right. These are the type of people who see no problem with a >> risk assessment that leads them to shoot an innocent man because he >> might be about to explode a bomb, which he has somehow managed to >> hide under his T-shirt. > > You see plenty of evidence that they get it right. You don't get bombed > very often. The police are by & large very efficient in a very demanding > job. They make the odd mistake - life is like that. Em? The police have thwarted bombing plots by driving around at high speed? Do you have an example in the context of Britain in the last 20 years? |