From: Nate Nagel on
On 05/22/2010 02:30 AM, Arif Khokar wrote:
> On 5/20/2010 11:38 AM, Evan Platt wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 18:58:58 -0400, Arif Khokar<akhokar1234(a)wvu.edu>
>> wrote:
>
>>> Now I'm waiting for you to tell all of us how you would go about
>>> push-starting a car with an automatic transmission ...
>
>> Me? I'm not the one who said anything about push starting a car.
>
> You did and repeatedly mentioned that in order to drive the car after
> push-starting it, one of the things needed was to "take the car out of
> park."
>
> Again, I ask, since you mentioned that one needs to "take the car out of
> park" in order to drive it after push-starting it, how does one push
> start a car with an automatic transmission?
>

You drive a pre-1956 Studebaker with a Detroit Gear automatic, or a
pre-1966 Chrysler product :) (or other older vehicle with a slushbox
with a rear pump.)

nate

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From: Daniel W. Rouse Jr. on

"Evan Platt" <evan(a)theobvious.espphotography.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 22 May 2010 02:30:01 -0400, Arif Khokar <akhokar1234(a)wvu.edu>
> wrote:
>
>>On 5/20/2010 11:38 AM, Evan Platt wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 18:58:58 -0400, Arif Khokar<akhokar1234(a)wvu.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Now I'm waiting for you to tell all of us how you would go about
>>>> push-starting a car with an automatic transmission ...
>>
>>> Me? I'm not the one who said anything about push starting a car.
>>
>>You did
>
> Umm.. No, I didn't.
>
>>and repeatedly
>
> Umm no. Once.
>
>>mentioned that in order to drive the car after
>>push-starting it, one of the things needed was to "take the car out of
>>park."
>
> Umm, Maybe you missed the sarcasm. The first hurdle would be to get
> the car out of park.
>
>>Again, I ask, since you mentioned that one needs to "take the car out of
>>park" in order to drive it after push-starting it, how does one push
>>start a car with an automatic transmission?
>
> What I said was "Hmm... so how did they DRIVE the car? Don't most cars
> have a steering column lock - such that no key, no steering? And on
> top of that, no key, you can't take the car out of park? I couldn't
> even take my car out of park unless the key was in the acc position.
> Just the key in and one click forward (not sure what setting that is)
> I couldn't put the car out of park."
>
The no key/no park issue doesn't always apply because many newer vehicles
are equipped with a Shift Lock access that can manually disengage the
shifter from Park.

The legitimate use of this is for when a towing company is legally
authorized to tow the vehicle away (i.e., not doing predatory towing but
someone legally and legitimately called for a tow), they can use the Shift
Lock access to move the shifter from Park to Neutral. Unfortunately, if a
car thief wanted to use that, they could use that function.

Note that in some cases, use of the Shift Lock access is as simple as
removing a small plastic cover, and then sticking a flat head screwdriver
into the small hole to disengage the lock. This is often even covered in the
vehicle owner's manual. One possible workaround is to use a high strength
adhesive to secure the cover shut permanently, but then if the vehicle ever
needs to be towed it is likely that extensive damage could occur when the
vehicle is forced-moved while still in Park.