2000 Lumina 3.1L Head Gasget (step-by-step guide)
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From: Steve W. on 6 Jan 2010 09:55 ctops.legal wrote: > Still no reply from FelPro on my inquiries, Steve my engine is a 6 > cylinder engine 3.1L, my bud just droped off the HST 9957 PT-1 head > set he said the guy at the engine shop said this set also has an > beefed-up head gasket as well. > > > > Curt Not a surprise. Federal Mogul was never real big on talking to small customers. Now if you wanted to order 500,000 sets!!! That is the part number for the good gasket set. The T means the set is the updated Perma-Torque parts. GM uses a set made the same way as the service part. Except it includes the bolts as well. So will you be firing it up tonight??? -- Steve W.
From: ctops.legal on 6 Jan 2010 10:12 On Jan 6, 9:07 am, "ctops.legal" <ctops.le...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 5, 4:09 pm, "Steve W." <csr...(a)NOTyahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > ctops.legal wrote: > > > I just talked to my bud who owns a good size auto repair shop here > > > Autozone/Advance AP can't get the HST 9957 PT-1, my friend aked for > > > the 8th digit of the VIN # to get the right set from NAPA (there site > > > list's it 100 dollars more than the HS 9957 PT-1, what is this 8th > > > digit thing and why are the parts houses using this procedure ? > > > > Curt > > > Rock auto has both, > > The HS set at 143.89 > > The HST set at 169.79 > > > NAPA shows > > The HS set at 234.00 > > The HST set at 209.00 > > > Head Bolt set is FPG ES72892 runs about 40 bucks. > > > Torque Sequence per SB 02-06-01-003B > > Issued April 2008 > > > 5 O 3 O 2 O 8 O > > > 7 O 1 O 4 O 6 O > > > Start at 44 lb. ft. > > Then 95 degrees additional. > > > Intake replacement: > > > Service Bulletin 03-06-01-010C > > Issued April 2008 > > > dO bO aO cO > > > cO aO bO dO > > > a/b get initial torque of 62 lb. in. then > > c/d get initial torque of 62 lb. in. > > NEXT > > a/b get final torque of 115 lb. in. then > > c/d get final torque of 18 lb. ft. > > > May develop an oil leak if you don't torque the verticals first. > > Recommended that intake bolts be replaced as well. > > -- > > Steve W. > > Still no reply from FelPro on my inquiries, Steve my engine is a 6 > cylinder engine 3.1L, my bud just droped off the HST 9957 PT-1 head > set he said the guy at the engine shop said this set also has an > beefed-up head gasket as well. > > Curt- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Photo HST-9957-PT1 --> http://img339.imageshack.us/i/hst9957pt1.jpg/ No documentation in the box concerning torque/tightening sequence spec's (intake) or (heads), I guess I will call FelPro they have not responded to my inquires. Also there is no end gaskets for the intake manifold just a slip of paper that states "apply a 3/16" bead of the RVT Black Silicone (included) accross the front and rear ends of the block then torque while wet. Going to have to borrow some tools from my bud, 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2 inch "inch pounds torque wrench" I know there is 1 horizontal bolt at each end on the intake you have to torque with the 1/4 inch drive or use a 10mm 3/8 drive swivel socket. Curt
From: ctops.legal on 6 Jan 2010 10:30 On Jan 6, 9:55 am, "Steve W." <csr...(a)NOTyahoo.com> wrote: > ctops.legal wrote: > > Still no reply from FelPro on my inquiries, Steve my engine is a 6 > > cylinder engine 3.1L, my bud just droped off the HST 9957 PT-1 head > > set he said the guy at the engine shop said this set also has an > > beefed-up head gasket as well. > > > Curt > > Not a surprise. Federal Mogul was never real big on talking to small > customers. Now if you wanted to order 500,000 sets!!! > > That is the part number for the good gasket set. > The T means the set is the updated Perma-Torque parts. > > GM uses a set made the same way as the service part. Except it includes > the bolts as well. > > So will you be firing it up tonight??? > > -- > Steve W. To cold got down to 21 degrees last night, start tomorrow, question to re-torque the heads after initial start-up will have to leave the exhaust manifold heat shields off the back head, how inportant is these heat shields ? Curt
From: Steve W. on 6 Jan 2010 11:12 ctops.legal wrote: > On Jan 6, 9:07 am, "ctops.legal" <ctops.le...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Jan 5, 4:09 pm, "Steve W." <csr...(a)NOTyahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> ctops.legal wrote: >>>> I just talked to my bud who owns a good size auto repair shop here >>>> Autozone/Advance AP can't get the HST 9957 PT-1, my friend aked for >>>> the 8th digit of the VIN # to get the right set from NAPA (there site >>>> list's it 100 dollars more than the HS 9957 PT-1, what is this 8th >>>> digit thing and why are the parts houses using this procedure ? >>>> Curt >>> Rock auto has both, >>> The HS set at 143.89 >>> The HST set at 169.79 >>> NAPA shows >>> The HS set at 234.00 >>> The HST set at 209.00 >>> Head Bolt set is FPG ES72892 runs about 40 bucks. >>> Torque Sequence per SB 02-06-01-003B >>> Issued April 2008 >>> 5 O 3 O 2 O 8 O >>> 7 O 1 O 4 O 6 O >>> Start at 44 lb. ft. >>> Then 95 degrees additional. >>> Intake replacement: >>> Service Bulletin 03-06-01-010C >>> Issued April 2008 >>> dO bO aO cO >>> cO aO bO dO >>> a/b get initial torque of 62 lb. in. then >>> c/d get initial torque of 62 lb. in. >>> NEXT >>> a/b get final torque of 115 lb. in. then >>> c/d get final torque of 18 lb. ft. >>> May develop an oil leak if you don't torque the verticals first. >>> Recommended that intake bolts be replaced as well. >>> -- >>> Steve W. >> Still no reply from FelPro on my inquiries, Steve my engine is a 6 >> cylinder engine 3.1L, my bud just droped off the HST 9957 PT-1 head >> set he said the guy at the engine shop said this set also has an >> beefed-up head gasket as well. >> >> Curt- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Photo HST-9957-PT1 --> http://img339.imageshack.us/i/hst9957pt1.jpg/ > > No documentation in the box concerning torque/tightening sequence > spec's (intake) or (heads), I guess I will call FelPro they have not > responded to my inquires. Also there is no end gaskets for the intake > manifold just a slip of paper that states "apply a 3/16" bead of the > RVT Black Silicone (included) accross the front and rear ends of the > block then torque while wet. GM hasn't used the end gaskets for a long time. 99% of the makers use RTV. The trick is getting it correct the first time. What I do if I haven't done a particular engine in a while is to take a small piece of clay, set it on the ends and set the intake down. Gives you an idea of how much room you have so you don't use excessive RTV. > > Going to have to borrow some tools from my bud, 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2 inch > "inch pounds torque wrench" I know there is 1 horizontal bolt at each > end on the intake you have to torque with the 1/4 inch drive or use a > 10mm 3/8 drive swivel socket. > > Curt -- Steve W.
From: Steve W. on 6 Jan 2010 11:20
ctops.legal wrote: > On Jan 6, 9:55 am, "Steve W." <csr...(a)NOTyahoo.com> wrote: >> ctops.legal wrote: >>> Still no reply from FelPro on my inquiries, Steve my engine is a 6 >>> cylinder engine 3.1L, my bud just droped off the HST 9957 PT-1 head >>> set he said the guy at the engine shop said this set also has an >>> beefed-up head gasket as well. >>> Curt >> Not a surprise. Federal Mogul was never real big on talking to small >> customers. Now if you wanted to order 500,000 sets!!! >> >> That is the part number for the good gasket set. >> The T means the set is the updated Perma-Torque parts. >> >> GM uses a set made the same way as the service part. Except it includes >> the bolts as well. >> >> So will you be firing it up tonight??? >> >> -- >> Steve W. > > To cold got down to 21 degrees last night, start tomorrow, question to > re-torque the heads after initial start-up will have to leave the > exhaust manifold heat shields off the back head, how inportant is > these heat shields ? > > > Curt I would assume that you have heat on while your working on it? The catch with doing the work in the cold is that when the engine heats up the parts expand. That causes things to move more. What I would probably do would be to stick the heads/intake inside and let them warm up good. Take a couple of heat lamps and let them heat up the block for a while. Then throw it together quick. Should take care of the problem. Well, they only keep the engine heat from igniting the engine bay... Seriously. -- Steve W. |