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From: Steve W. on 7 Jan 2010 20:46 ctops.legal wrote: > My bud had an 1/2 & 3/8 drive troque I need the conversion to foot > lbs. on the intake bolts, don't have any INCH pound tools, he said he > has never needed one and he owns his own car repair shop for 20 years. > > > Curt > Then he doesn't work on newer vehicles or in transmissions. I can think of at least 50 vehicles that call for inch pound torque specs. The reason being that it is almost impossible for you to convert inch pounds from foot pounds at the correct levels. Think of it this way a beam style torque wrench usually starts at 10 foot pounds, that is 120 inch pounds. So how do you torque bolts to 50 inch pounds with that wrench and KNOW that your in spec? You cannot. Over torque one bolt and you can easily damage the intake. Oh and FYI both Advance and Auto-Zone have tool loan programs. -- Steve W.
From: ctops.legal on 8 Jan 2010 03:37 On Jan 7, 8:46 pm, "Steve W." <csr...(a)NOTyahoo.com> wrote: > ctops.legal wrote: > > My bud had an 1/2 & 3/8 drive troque I need the conversion to foot > > lbs. on the intake bolts, don't have any INCH pound tools, he said he > > has never needed one and he owns his own car repair shop for 20 years. > > > Curt > > Then he doesn't work on newer vehicles or in transmissions. I can think > of at least 50 vehicles that call for inch pound torque specs. The > reason being that it is almost impossible for you to convert inch pounds > from foot pounds at the correct levels. > > Think of it this way a beam style torque wrench usually starts at 10 > foot pounds, that is 120 inch pounds. So how do you torque bolts to 50 > inch pounds with that wrench and KNOW that your in spec? You cannot. > Over torque one bolt and you can easily damage the intake. > > Oh and FYI both Advance and Auto-Zone have tool loan programs. > > -- > Steve W. Yea I know the tool loan programs are cool I was going to use that again, now I think I will being as you said this intake is to inportant to guesstimate. Curt
From: ctops.legal on 8 Jan 2010 04:01 On Jan 5, 4:09 pm, "Steve W." <csr...(a)NOTyahoo.com> wrote: > ctops.legal wrote: > > I just talked to my bud who owns a good size auto repair shop here > > Autozone/Advance AP can't get the HST 9957 PT-1, my friend aked for > > the 8th digit of the VIN # to get the right set from NAPA (there site > > list's it 100 dollars more than the HS 9957 PT-1, what is this 8th > > digit thing and why are the parts houses using this procedure ? > > > Curt > > Rock auto has both, > The HS set at 143.89 > The HST set at 169.79 > > NAPA shows > The HS set at 234.00 > The HST set at 209.00 > > Head Bolt set is FPG ES72892 runs about 40 bucks. > > Torque Sequence per SB 02-06-01-003B > Issued April 2008 > > 5 O 3 O 2 O 8 O > > 7 O 1 O 4 O 6 O > > Start at 44 lb. ft. > Then 95 degrees additional. > > Intake replacement: > > Service Bulletin 03-06-01-010C > Issued April 2008 > > dO bO aO cO > > cO aO bO dO > > a/b get initial torque of 62 lb. in. then > c/d get initial torque of 62 lb. in. > NEXT > a/b get final torque of 115 lb. in. then > c/d get final torque of 18 lb. ft. > > May develop an oil leak if you don't torque the verticals first. > Recommended that intake bolts be replaced as well. > -- > Steve W. Steve W. You posted; Service Bulletin 03-06-01-010C Issued April 2008 dO bO aO cO cO aO bO dO a/b get initial torque of 62 lb. in. then c/d get initial torque of 62 lb. in. NEXT a/b get final torque of 115 lb. in. then c/d get final torque of 18 lb. ft. May develop an oil leak if you don't torque the verticals first. Recommended that intake bolts be replaced as well. -- The verticals first as in a & b ?, and incidentally the "c" intake bolts are recessed into the intake body a 10mm swivel socket 3/8 drive will access, I was thinking of that so I want need to rent a 1/4 inch pound torque wrench only a 3/8 drive ? Curt
From: ctops.legal on 8 Jan 2010 14:38 On Jan 8, 4:01 am, "ctops.legal" <ctops.le...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 5, 4:09 pm, "Steve W." <csr...(a)NOTyahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > ctops.legal wrote: > > > I just talked to my bud who owns a good size auto repair shop here > > > Autozone/Advance AP can't get the HST 9957 PT-1, my friend aked for > > > the 8th digit of the VIN # to get the right set from NAPA (there site > > > list's it 100 dollars more than the HS 9957 PT-1, what is this 8th > > > digit thing and why are the parts houses using this procedure ? > > > > Curt > > > Rock auto has both, > > The HS set at 143.89 > > The HST set at 169.79 > > > NAPA shows > > The HS set at 234.00 > > The HST set at 209.00 > > > Head Bolt set is FPG ES72892 runs about 40 bucks. > > > Torque Sequence per SB 02-06-01-003B > > Issued April 2008 > > > 5 O 3 O 2 O 8 O > > > 7 O 1 O 4 O 6 O > > > Start at 44 lb. ft. > > Then 95 degrees additional. > > > Intake replacement: > > > Service Bulletin 03-06-01-010C > > Issued April 2008 > > > dO bO aO cO > > > cO aO bO dO > > > a/b get initial torque of 62 lb. in. then > > c/d get initial torque of 62 lb. in. > > NEXT > > a/b get final torque of 115 lb. in. then > > c/d get final torque of 18 lb. ft. > > > May develop an oil leak if you don't torque the verticals first. > > Recommended that intake bolts be replaced as well. > > -- > > Steve W. > > Steve W. > You posted; > Service Bulletin 03-06-01-010C > Issued April 2008 > > dO bO aO cO > > cO aO bO dO > > a/b get initial torque of 62 lb. in. then > c/d get initial torque of 62 lb. in. > NEXT > a/b get final torque of 115 lb. in. then > c/d get final torque of 18 lb. ft. > > May develop an oil leak if you don't torque the verticals first. > Recommended that intake bolts be replaced as well. > -- > The verticals first as in a & b ?, and incidentally the "c" intake > bolts are recessed into the intake body a 10mm swivel socket 3/8 drive > will access, I was thinking of that so I want need to rent a 1/4 inch > pound torque wrench only a 3/8 drive ? > > Curt- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - New problem the new FelPro intake gaskets have 3 guide pins on the top (middle is metal) it the same on both sides 2 pins will fully go into the guide holes (yes these clean) there's one on the end wont go in, bolt holes line up an all but and it looks like once you start to torque the intake bolts the 3rd problem pin (rubber) might squeez in OR SMASH IN, I guess the gasket is new and I see the old gasket only has 2 guide pins, thinks about drilling the problem hole out a tiny fraction to ensure proper gasket seating before I apply the black RVT and torque the intake bolts, the problem guide pin is maybe a 1/32nd of an in. off, I tryed for over an hour to get all 3 pins in with the intake on and was going to put a few bolts in and leave over night to get the gasket to settle in all 3 guide pins in there holes, or just cut the problem rubber pins off. what say you ? Curt
From: ctops.legal on 8 Jan 2010 15:29
On Jan 8, 4:01 am, "ctops.legal" <ctops.le...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 5, 4:09 pm, "Steve W." <csr...(a)NOTyahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > ctops.legal wrote: > > > I just talked to my bud who owns a good size auto repair shop here > > > Autozone/Advance AP can't get the HST 9957 PT-1, my friend aked for > > > the 8th digit of the VIN # to get the right set from NAPA (there site > > > list's it 100 dollars more than the HS 9957 PT-1, what is this 8th > > > digit thing and why are the parts houses using this procedure ? > > > > Curt > > > Rock auto has both, > > The HS set at 143.89 > > The HST set at 169.79 > > > NAPA shows > > The HS set at 234.00 > > The HST set at 209.00 > > > Head Bolt set is FPG ES72892 runs about 40 bucks. > > > Torque Sequence per SB 02-06-01-003B > > Issued April 2008 > > > 5 O 3 O 2 O 8 O > > > 7 O 1 O 4 O 6 O > > > Start at 44 lb. ft. > > Then 95 degrees additional. > > > Intake replacement: > > > Service Bulletin 03-06-01-010C > > Issued April 2008 > > > dO bO aO cO > > > cO aO bO dO > > > a/b get initial torque of 62 lb. in. then > > c/d get initial torque of 62 lb. in. > > NEXT > > a/b get final torque of 115 lb. in. then > > c/d get final torque of 18 lb. ft. > > > May develop an oil leak if you don't torque the verticals first. > > Recommended that intake bolts be replaced as well. > > -- > > Steve W. > > Steve W. > You posted; > Service Bulletin 03-06-01-010C > Issued April 2008 > > dO bO aO cO > > cO aO bO dO > > a/b get initial torque of 62 lb. in. then > c/d get initial torque of 62 lb. in. > NEXT > a/b get final torque of 115 lb. in. then > c/d get final torque of 18 lb. ft. > > May develop an oil leak if you don't torque the verticals first. > Recommended that intake bolts be replaced as well. > -- > The verticals first as in a & b ?, and incidentally the "c" intake > bolts are recessed into the intake body a 10mm swivel socket 3/8 drive > will access, I was thinking of that so I want need to rent a 1/4 inch > pound torque wrench only a 3/8 drive ? > > Curt- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Just found this; http://www.torkspec.com/torkspecme.aspx?KI=12-3.1L-191ci-V6 |