Another one killed on a pavement and a wall smashed!
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From: GT on 10 Jun 2010 08:35 "David Hansen" <SENDdavidNOhSPAM(a)spidacom.co.uk> wrote in message news:cfk116tq0odtli7eh1g3sapgsvkre62n3o(a)4ax.com... > On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:08:20 +0200 someone who may be "GT" > <ContactGT_rem_ove_(a)hotmail.com> wrote this:- > >>*off* pavements 'for a change'. Actually driving along the pavement is >>'for >>a change'. The vaaaast majority of journeys are made along roads! > > I checked the cyclists I saw in town yesterday. All were cycling > along the road, though a few used the pavement for a short period in > order to get to a parking place. > > I do see cyclists using the pavements, but I see motorists using > them too and the scattering of motor vehicles on pavements shows > that many motorists use pavements while I'm not looking. I think we need to clarify one point which is vague in your - some motorists do legally park on pavements. The law allows this so long as there is sufficient space for pushchairs / wheelchairs to still get past. However, in my few hundred thousand miles of motoring, I have never seen a car *driving* on a pavement. On the other hand, cyclists frequently cycle along pavements, as well as park there. Whist not relevant to the original post, this is the difference. In the original post, Doug implied that the entire journey was made along the pavement resulting in an accident (sorry Doug, resulting in a "deliberate") and he asked why motorists can't keep off the pavements for a change. His implication was flawed, making his subsequent utterings irrelevant. Yet we will argue about it!!
From: David Hansen on 10 Jun 2010 12:49 On 10 Jun 2010 12:03:33 GMT someone who may be "Anon" <spamspamegg(a)spam.com> wrote this:- >Theres a difference between driving/riding on the pavement and parking >there. >One may cause inconvenience, the other danger. Yes. Parking on the pavement causes danger in several ways. Firstly by forcing people, particularly those in wheelchairs, with large prams and with lots of luggage out into the road. Secondly by damaging the pavement and thus making trips and falls more likely, elderly people are particularly vulnerable to life-threatening trips and falls. Cycling on the pavement on the other hand mostly causes inconvenience. It can cause danger, though this is easy to quantify by looking at the number of pedestrians on the pavement killed by motorists and by cyclists. Glad you made my point for me. Have a nice day. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/ukpga_20000023_en_8#pt3-pb3-l1g54
From: David Hansen on 10 Jun 2010 12:53 On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:35:18 +0100 someone who may be "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote this:- >some motorists do legally park on pavements. Whether it is legal or not depends on where one is. I know of no law in any part of the UK where the legality depends on there being space for people to get past the obstruction. >However, in >my few hundred thousand miles of motoring, I have never seen a car *driving* >on a pavement. An interesting example of motoring lobby sleight of hand. It is the motorist who drives along the pavement, not the car, just as it is the cyclist who rides along the pavement, not the bike. If you haven't seen a motorist driving along the pavement then I am glad you live such a sheltered life. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/ukpga_20000023_en_8#pt3-pb3-l1g54
From: Adrian on 10 Jun 2010 13:04 David Hansen <SENDdavidNOhSPAM(a)spidacom.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>Theres a difference between driving/riding on the pavement and parking >>there. >>One may cause inconvenience, the other danger. > Yes. Parking on the pavement causes danger in several ways. Firstly by > forcing people, particularly those in wheelchairs, with large prams and > with lots of luggage out into the road. There isn't necessarily a lack of space for such pedestrians - and, of course, road furniture such as post boxes can similarly intrude and inconvenience. > Secondly by damaging the pavement Only if it's been thoroughly inadequately built and maintained. > Cycling on the pavement on the other hand mostly causes inconvenience. > It can cause danger, though this is easy to quantify by looking at the > number of pedestrians on the pavement killed by motorists and by > cyclists. Ah, yes. Glossing over the difference between cyclists who deliberately ride on the pavement and car crashes which spread onto the pavement from the road - with absolutely no intent at all.
From: Mrcheerful on 10 Jun 2010 13:35
David Hansen wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:35:18 +0100 someone who may be "GT" <a(a)b.c> > wrote this:- > >> some motorists do legally park on pavements. > > Whether it is legal or not depends on where one is. > > I know of no law in any part of the UK where the legality depends on > there being space for people to get past the obstruction. > >> However, in >> my few hundred thousand miles of motoring, I have never seen a car >> *driving* on a pavement. > > An interesting example of motoring lobby sleight of hand. It is the > motorist who drives along the pavement, not the car, just as it is > the cyclist who rides along the pavement, not the bike. > > If you haven't seen a motorist driving along the pavement then I am > glad you live such a sheltered life. mounting a pavement to park is not the same as driving along the pavement. I see thousands of cars every day parking and parked on pavements, I never see cars driving along pavements on a continual basis . I see many cyclists every day riding along pavements without a care for pedestrians, often at quite high speed. |