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From: Mike P on 25 Jun 2008 09:52 "Raymond Keattch" <ray.keattch(a)nowhere.com> wrote in message news:NCm8k.84770$P83.12618(a)newsfe20.ams2... > On 25/06/2008 07:39:56, David Taylor wrote: >> On 2008-06-24, Raymond Keattch <ray.keattch(a)nowhere.com> wrote: >>> >>> I don't need controlled trails to hear what components sound like it my >>> house. I can't listen to the system for a whole evening with the >>> expensive >>> interconnects in - the bass is lumpy, soundstage closed in and vocals >>> pushed >>> back. The cheaper ones I can have in the system for ever, because the >>> sounstage is more realistic, bass is tighter and vocals are pushed well >>> foward. >>> >>> I wonder why I prefer the cheaper ones? >> >> Because subconsciously you regretted spending £150 on a bit of bloody >> wire and wanted an excuse to flog it on ebay? > > I didn'y regret it at all - I listened in the dealer and liked them. > >> Who cares. If you still had them, you wouldn't be able to tell the >> difference if someone performed a proper double-blind test with you, >> even in your own house. Unless they were actually faulty, which is >> unlikely. > > A little pointless as I keep pointing out. Even if I like one over the > other > because of psychological reason, then my choice is a good one. > >>>> Are you claimig to have perfect pitch and several years experience of >>>> A/B comparisons between live performances and a wide range of audio >>>> reproduction equipment? >>> >>> I have owned approx 10 amps, 10 pairs of speakers and 4 CD players. I >>> have >>> tried three pairs of interconnects in the system. I go to approx 15 >>> classical >>> concerts a year, and I listen to about 3 hours music per day. I have >>> compared >>> equipement at dealers totalling probably 50 hours. I have no idea why >>> you >>> think I need to compare more products or have perfect pitch - I listen >>> to my >>> music, in my house on a system that conveys music in a pleasing way to >>> my >>> ears. >>> >>> Getting back to wires, should I replace my interconnects? If so, why? >> >> No, unless you're in need of £25 (assuming someone is daft enough to pay >> that for them). You should, however, stop mentioning how much better >> they make things sound. > > They do make my systyem sound better than the other interconnects. Oh, I > just > found an old pair of interconnects I haven't used for a few years, so I > tried > them out last night sound was not as good. Bass was less tight and had > less > punch. Soundstage was closed in. Funny that, because I already owned them > and > if I liked them better I could sell the other ones. > > Put the other interconnects in and the tight bass was back and the > soundstage > opened up. #Maybe the colour has an effect on me, maybe the length as they > are shorter? > I used multicore cable that's used on Scania coaches to make an 24 channel stage box for the band. Seems to work very well indeed. The leads from the amp heads to the PA cost about �15 each to make up. Altogether that handles around 15K watts if we turn it up full for an outdoor gig and sounds spot on providing I've been at the mixing desk BEFORE I've been at the bar.. Mike P
From: Raymond Keattch on 25 Jun 2008 10:00 On 25/06/2008 14:37:23, wrote: > Raymond Keattch <ray.keattch(a)nowhere.com> wrote: > >> On 25/06/2008 09:55:26, wrote: >> > Raymond Keattch <ray.keattch(a)nowhere.com> wrote: >> > >> >> > Because subconsciously you regretted spending £150 on a bit of bloody >> >> > wire and wanted an excuse to flog it on ebay? >> >> >> >> I didn'y regret it at all - I listened in the dealer and liked them. >> > >> > And the dealer had your exact HiFi system installed in a room >> > constructed, furnished and decorated exactly like your room at home, did >> > he? >> >> Yes, > > Somehow I doubt it. Pardon? I took my system to every listening session at a dealer, so I could make valid comparisons. Shift work paid dividends here, because dealer listening rooms are often emtpy during the week. Many times, I would turn up for a booking at 9am and not leave until the afternoon, giving me plenty of opportunity for comparison. -- MrBitsy Rover 75 CDTi
From: Adrian on 25 Jun 2008 10:34 "Raymond Keattch" <ray.keattch(a)nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> > And the dealer had your exact HiFi system installed in a room >>> > constructed, furnished and decorated exactly like your room at home, >>> > did he? >>> Yes, >> Somehow I doubt it. > Pardon? > > I took my system to every listening session at a dealer, so I could make > valid comparisons. Odd. I thought that only yesterday you said... Message-ID: <4Zf8k.13876$ft1.5999(a)newsfe14.ams2> >>>The difficulty is that there are a number of possible reasons, so >>>without a careful test you can't always decide which 'reason' is >>>responsible. > Yep, that is why I have tried the speakers in many different positions. >>>Another: We didn't put our head in exactly the same place as before, >>>and we experience a different room acoustic. Quite remarkable how >>>small >>>a movement can be heard if you experiment with this. > Absolutely - I can move my speakers an inch and hear the difference. If > the sofa I sit in is moved left or right by a few inches, the sound > changes. >>>Another: On one occasion the room door was open, but on the next it was >>>closed. Changes the acoustic - particularly at LF. Since LF penetrates >>>deepest into the cochlea this affects hearing of higher frequencies. > Agreed again. I always listen to music with the hall door closed, > otherwise the bass and soundstage are affected. > I do care about all the points raised above, so over several years I > have adjusted my room and speaker position, closed doors etc.
From: Steve Firth on 25 Jun 2008 10:31 Raymond Keattch <ray.keattch(a)nowhere.com> wrote: > On 25/06/2008 14:37:23, wrote: > > Raymond Keattch <ray.keattch(a)nowhere.com> wrote: > > > >> On 25/06/2008 09:55:26, wrote: > >> > Raymond Keattch <ray.keattch(a)nowhere.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> > Because subconsciously you regretted spending £150 on a bit of bloody > >> >> > wire and wanted an excuse to flog it on ebay? > >> >> > >> >> I didn'y regret it at all - I listened in the dealer and liked them. > >> > > >> > And the dealer had your exact HiFi system installed in a room > >> > constructed, furnished and decorated exactly like your room at home, did > >> > he? > >> > >> Yes, > > > > Somehow I doubt it. > > Pardon? Which bit of "installed in a room constructed, furnished and decorated exactly like your room at home" escaped you? > I took my system to every listening session at a dealer, so I could make > valid comparisons. Shift work paid dividends here, because dealer listening > rooms are often emtpy during the week. Many times, I would turn up for a > booking at 9am and not leave until the afternoon, giving me plenty of > opportunity for comparison. Uh humm. I dread to think how much it cost the dealer to reproduce your home at his premises.
From: SteveH on 25 Jun 2008 14:11
"Raymond Keattch" <ray.keattch(a)nowhere.com> wrote in message news:fGm8k.84771$P83.57402(a)newsfe20.ams2... > On 25/06/2008 01:25:49, wrote: >> Raymond Keattch <ray.keattch(a)nowhere.com> wrote: >> >>> On 24/06/2008 22:26:58, wrote: >>> >>> > The "I can tell the difference between a �30 and a �150 cable" bunch >>> > amuse me because they seem to have no concept of how the signal is >>> > conveyed within each of the audio devices in the chain. >>> >>> Why do I need to know? >> >> Because if you did know then you wouldn't obsess about "interconnects". > > I would be better informed about the science, but I am actually interested > on > their effect on my system - that effect may be purely psychological, but > if > the effect is enough to give more pleasure to the music, then that is > reason > enough to use them. Alternatively you could choose less bland genres of music to listen to and increase your listening pleasure by a much greater extent..... -- SteveH - coming to you live from Norwich City football ground |