From: Marc on
Silk wrote:
> On 24/11/2009 09:51, Conor wrote:
>> In article<mn.bc227d9b5b080add.106911(a)>, Harry
>> Bloomfield says...
>>> Conor explained on 23/11/2009 :
>>>> If the HGV test is so easy, how come so many car drivers fail it?
>>> Not very many car drivers will actually take it, most will already be
>>> gainfully employed.
>> What bearing does that have on anything?
> I think the implication is that the smart people already have good jobs
> and have no need to take an LGV test. That only leaves the thick and
> desperate - a bit like the Forces really.
It's certainly the reasoning that explains the phenomena of taxi
drivers, if you are you unemployable, and too stupid to fiddle the dole
you can still drive a taxi. The pikey version in the rest of the country
not the London Hackney carriage type. I remember doing a sociology
course and a diagram that plotted various "professions" and their
"pecking order" ,Taxi Driver" was a lot higher than I expected, then I
realised that the author lived in London, and probably wasn't talking
about the scum that are given licences by LAs
From: Harry Bloomfield on
Conor submitted this idea :
> Until I learned to drive a lorry, I didn't realise just how stupid some
> of the things I did as a car driver were.

I agree car drivers (and riders) do do some really stupid and
inconsiderate things around lorries, but could you give some examples?

Harry (M1BYT) (L)

From: Silk on
On 24/11/2009 19:16, ginge wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:49:16 +0000, Silk<me(a)> wrote:
>> On 24/11/2009 18:35, vulgarandmischevious wrote:
>>> Silk<me(a)> wrote:
>>>> On 24/11/2009 17:41, vulgarandmischevious wrote:
>>>>> Silk<me(a)> wrote:
>>>>>> Fear is the emotion normal people have that prevents them from doing
>>>>>> stupid and dangerous things. Yes, I am scared of motorcycles and for
>>>>>> good reason.
>>>>> An excellent driver would have nothing to fear.
>>>> You have to have a certain amount of fear to be a good driver, or at
>>>> least a safe one.
>>> Bollocks. You don't understand risk.
>> Fear makes you less likely to take a risk.
> Fear increases the chances of making an impulsive decision, which is
> in itself a dangerous trait.

On that I'll agree. That's why better training can help by making
impulsive decisions the right ones. For example, stopping people from
panic braking in bends by making it a habit to get the speed right
before the corner and driving round - the panic reaction is then more
likely to fall back to keeping the power on and keeping control, rather
than losing control and ending up in a ditch.

Where I disagree is I don't believe fear is a bad thing if it makes
someone thing twice before taking part in an activity that's potentially
more dangerous. Riding a motorcycle is inherently more dangerous. That's
a matter of fact. Whether that's because the people likely to ride a
motorcycle are more reckless and therefore dangerous by nature is a
different subject, but I suspect it has some bearing.
From: Oily on

"Silk" <me(a)> wrote

vulgarandmischevious wrote:

> >
> >
> > An excellent driver would have nothing to fear.
> You have to have a certain amount of fear to be a good driver, or at
> least a safe one. Lack of fear is the main reason young people are such
> a risk on the road.

Experience is what they lack, that's all. If you're frightened of driving
any vehicle then you owe it to other drivers to keep yourself off the road.

From: Catman on
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
> Chris N Deuchar submitted this idea :
>> For any single track road that maximum is the law for HGV/LGV trucks
>> anyway...
>> did know that didn't you?
>> ...if not, HTH :-)
> However most do ignore that limit.

They do? Wish I could find some round here.

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