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From: Peter Grange on 27 Nov 2009 16:04 On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:13:46 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote: >Peter Grange <peter(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> >No, it's just that the majority of cyclists are selfish, stupid >> >bastards. You seem typical of the breed. >> >> There goes the unsubstantiated "majority" word again. > >The day this becomes a court of law or I get paid to do the research >I'll provide the statistics. However on a random sample, the majority of >cyclists I encounter are selfish, stupid bastards. Not to mention >"holier than thou" and "smug". > So just keep spouting the same old unsubstantiated stuff then. So long as I know that's all it is. A sample on Bishopsgate last time I was there showed zero pavement cyclists. A sample in my home town has shown one in the last week or so. I guess that shows either you are unlucky or personal experiences don't count for owt. >Here's something you could try to test the theory. Stop the next >pavement cyclist that you see and ask them to ride where they belong. Try telling the next motorist parked on the pavement to get his hulking great car off the pavement and on the street where it belongs. -- Pete
From: johnwright ""john" on 27 Nov 2009 16:11 Paul Weaver wrote: > On 26 Nov, 18:25, johnwright <""john\"@no spam here.com"> wrote: >> Doesn't make it legal. They probably are not enlightened just trying to >> avoid filling in the reams of paperwork they would need to if they stop >> a cyclist for any offence. > > Or indeed stop anyone for any offence. I've certainly been let off > with warnings while driving plenty of times. > > Having said that, I have delightedly seen cyclists given FPNs for > pavement cycling in London :) Indeed, but as I recall it was an answer to Duhg claiming once again about discrimination against cyclists. Hence the wording. -- I'm not apathetic... I just don't give a sh** anymore ?John Wright
From: johnwright ""john" on 27 Nov 2009 16:12 NM wrote: > On 27 Nov, 09:35, "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >> NM wrote: >>> On 27 Nov, 00:31, Paul Weaver <use...(a)isorox.co.uk> wrote: >>>> On 26 Nov, 18:25, johnwright <""john\"@no spam here.com"> wrote: >>>>> Doesn't make it legal. They probably are not enlightened just >>>>> trying to avoid filling in the reams of paperwork they would need >>>>> to if they stop a cyclist for any offence. >>>> Or indeed stop anyone for any offence. I've certainly been let off >>>> with warnings while driving plenty of times. >>>> Having said that, I have delightedly seen cyclists given FPNs for >>>> pavement cycling in London :) >>> Good, more of that is required. >> I agree, if you force them onto the roads, it will slow down the traffic and >> make it safer for everyone. > > And the attrition rate amoungst cyclists will increase. Perhaps that's why more women cyclists get killed. Women as a cohort tend to be more compliant than men. -- I'm not apathetic... I just don't give a sh** anymore ?John Wright
From: dan on 27 Nov 2009 16:28 JNugent <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> writes: > Not "expected" - "required". > > Though "give way" doesn't actually mean "stop". If there is no-one > using the crossed route at that particular point and time, it is > possible to give way without stopping. "Required" to give way; "expected" to stop. Until motorists can be relied on to unfailingly signal left when turning left, it would be a brave if not foolhardy cyclist on the path alongside the road who did not at least slow down and proceed with much caution when approaching a side road, if there is any traffic behind or alongside him on the main road. And if it's a road which traffic planners have decided needs an off-road cycle path, that is very likely to be on the basis that it sees a lot of traffic. So maybe at 3am you don't need to stop but at any other time you would be foolish not to expect to have to -dan
From: dan on 27 Nov 2009 16:29
%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) writes: > Apparently if a cyclist were to stop in London for a red light or a stop > sign their testicles would drop off. I assure you I've still got both of mine. I'd be losing about forty of them a day if this were true -dan |