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From: Peter Clinch on 21 Dec 2007 03:20 Ekul Namsob wrote: > Thanks for the clarification. However, the advice to keep clear of > lorries is not, in my opinion, a waste of space. It is advice and, as > such, it is beneficial to follow that advice when practical. It is ambiguous. Run "Keep clear of" past the Campaign for Plain English and see if anyone there reckons it can possibly be taken as meaning "get out of the way". Now see how "get out of the way" compares with taking up the primary position very deliberately in the path of an approaching HGV. > Rightly or wrongly, I inferred from the advice that one should /attempt/ > to keep clear of lorries. But that remains bad advice, for the reason given above. With a lorry approaching from behind it is often in my interests to assertively *get right in its path*, reasonably safe in the knowledge that the driver will give me the space I need. That is not at all clear from "attempt to keep clear of lorries", is it? > It appears to me that you inferred that one > should /always/ keep clear. Obviously, the latter is impossible. S And the former is not unambiguously good advice, which is why I've been complaining about it not being good advice. "Keep away from blind spots of lorries" would be much better, for example, but that isn't what was given. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch(a)dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
From: Peter Clinch on 21 Dec 2007 03:25 MrBitsy wrote: > When the cyclist has done everthing correctly, but the lorry drivers is > being a twit, STAY AWAY from the lorry is sensible advice. Of course you > could just sit there full of the thought you are in the right. And now we have an injection of context, but that rather changes things. Elsewhere in the thread people have gone on about taking the primary position, specifically /right in the way of a lorry/. So, do I do that for an upcoming lorry, assuming the driver may be on the ball, or pick up my bike and jump onto the pavement, assuning the worst case that he won't be? And which of those is closer to "keep clear of lorries"? Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch(a)dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
From: Brimstone on 21 Dec 2007 03:31 "Clive George" <clive(a)xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:13mm4fn61vl51d6(a)corp.supernews.com... > "MrBitsy" <ray(a)nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:rjCaj.12131$745.258(a)newsfe1-win.ntli.net... >> Peter Clinch wrote: >>> Adrian wrote: >>>> Clive George ("Clive George" <clive(a)xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk>) gurgled >>>> happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> >>>>> Mostly you'll find they're arguing with Brimstone and his daft >>>>> assertions. >>>> >>>> The daft assertions that are shared with u.r.c? >>> >>> No, the daft assertion that: >>> >>> "The lorry is bigger than the cyclist. Keep clear" >>> >>> is actually all there is to avoiding unpleasant entanglements with >>> lorries. >> >> When the cyclist has done everthing correctly, but the lorry drivers is >> being a twit, STAY AWAY from the lorry is sensible advice. Of course you >> could just sit there full of the thought you are in the right. > > To bring this discussion back to the original topic, it is amusing that > the subject of this thread tried to teach the denizens of URC how to ride > a bike, in the same manner as you appear to be doing. > (though it was funnier when he tried to do the same in ukrm). > The original topic of this discussion was about the demise of a road safety campaigner.
From: Peter Clinch on 21 Dec 2007 03:37 Brimstone wrote: > "Clive George" <clive(a)xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message >> To bring this discussion back to the original topic, it is amusing that >> the subject of this thread tried to teach the denizens of URC how to ride >> a bike, in the same manner as you appear to be doing. >> (though it was funnier when he tried to do the same in ukrm). >> > The original topic of this discussion was about the demise of a road safety > campaigner. Deary me, back to school with you and try and remember what your poor English teacher told you about the subject and object of a sentence... Paul Smith was the original subject of this thread. He turned up on URC and tried to teach the denizens how to ride a bike, just like Clive said. Shame you still can't understand plain English, just like you haven't been understanding it too well elsewhere in the thread. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch(a)dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
From: Brimstone on 21 Dec 2007 03:50
"Peter Clinch" <p.j.clinch(a)dundee.ac.uk> wrote in message news:5t1c9cF1bq3n8U1(a)mid.individual.net... > Brimstone wrote: >> "Clive George" <clive(a)xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message > >>> To bring this discussion back to the original topic, it is amusing that >>> the subject of this thread tried to teach the denizens of URC how to >>> ride >>> a bike, in the same manner as you appear to be doing. >>> (though it was funnier when he tried to do the same in ukrm). >>> >> The original topic of this discussion was about the demise of a road >> safety >> campaigner. > > Deary me, back to school with you and try and remember what your poor > English teacher told you about the subject and object of a sentence... > > Paul Smith was the original subject of this thread. He turned up on URC > and tried to teach the denizens how to ride a bike, just like Clive > said. Shame you still can't understand plain English, just like you > haven't been understanding it too well elsewhere in the thread. > If you're as competent as you try to make out, how come you don't understand context? |