Pedestrian injured in hit and run incident(Doug Mode)
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From: Adrian on 25 Jun 2010 04:11 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > "Phil W Lee" <phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> wrote in message > news:k2s7261cqh3s8k8plet9t31nkb64ft51rh(a)4ax.com... >> It wouldn't be the first time that a pedestrian had relied only on >> their hearing when stepping out into the road. > Are you now trying to blame the victim? There's a certain irony, isn't there?
From: Matt B on 25 Jun 2010 04:40 On 25/06/2010 08:53, Derek C wrote: > On Jun 25, 8:01 am, Matt B<matt.bou...(a)nospam.london.com> wrote: >> On 25/06/2010 01:07, Phil W Lee wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> JNugent<jennings...(a)fastmail.fm> considered Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:51:19 >>> +0100 the perfect time to write: >> >>>> Adrian wrote: >> >>>>> "a 66-year-old pedestrian was crossing the road at the pedestrian >>>>> crossing" >> >>>> That's true, but there's no difference in legality between cycling along a >>>> footway and failing to accord precedence to a pedestrian on a pedestrian >>>> crossing. >> >>> Surely that depends on the type of crossing and the state of the >>> lights (if present). >>> There don't appear to be any zebra crossings along there, and there >>> was no allegation that the cyclist had jumped any lights. >> >>> It wouldn't be the first time that a pedestrian had relied only on >>> their hearing when stepping out into the road. >> >> Do believe that it is acceptable to drive or cycle across a >> light-controlled crossing, on green, in such a way that you would be >> unable to avoid a pedestrian, old or young, should they walk out >> (perfectly legally) when their light is on red? >> > Pedestrians should never step into the roadway without checking first > that it is safe to do so. Common sense really, but not compulsory and drivers/riders certainly can't bank on then doing so. > I seem to remember that this was called the > Green Cross Code when I was at school. Brainwashing kids into believing that the vehicle user is king, and to always kowtow to them. That, IMHO, is part of the cause of the problems we now have on our roads. Generations of drivers and riders who were taught from an early age that as such they can take de-facto priority over pedestrians on the streets. > Otherwise they are committing > the offence of 'Jaywalking'. There is no offence of "jaywalking" in the UK. All road users have equal rights to use public roads (subject to a very few specific, and local exceptions). > Pedestrians only have right of way at > light controlled crossings when their light is on green (but watch out > for RLJing cyclists). No, pedestrians always have right of way to use public roads, despite what being taught the "green cross code" may have led them to believe. That isn't to say that they shouldn't generally follow the sensible advice laid down in the highway code. -- Matt B
From: JNugent on 25 Jun 2010 04:43 Derek C wrote: > On Jun 25, 8:01 am, Matt B <matt.bou...(a)nospam.london.com> wrote: >> On 25/06/2010 01:07, Phil W Lee wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> JNugent<jennings...(a)fastmail.fm> considered Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:51:19 >>> +0100 the perfect time to write: >>>> Adrian wrote: >>>>> "a 66-year-old pedestrian was crossing the road at the pedestrian >>>>> crossing" >>>> That's true, but there's no difference in legality between cycling along a >>>> footway and failing to accord precedence to a pedestrian on a pedestrian >>>> crossing. >>> Surely that depends on the type of crossing and the state of the >>> lights (if present). >>> There don't appear to be any zebra crossings along there, and there >>> was no allegation that the cyclist had jumped any lights. >>> It wouldn't be the first time that a pedestrian had relied only on >>> their hearing when stepping out into the road. >> Do believe that it is acceptable to drive or cycle across a >> light-controlled crossing, on green, in such a way that you would be >> unable to avoid a pedestrian, old or young, should they walk out >> (perfectly legally) when their light is on red? >> > Pedestrians should never step into the roadway without checking first > that it is safe to do so. I seem to remember that this was called the > Green Cross Code when I was at school. Otherwise they are committing > the offence of 'Jaywalking'. What? In the United Kingdom?
From: GT on 25 Jun 2010 04:56 "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message news:i01iua$v07$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Iain" <spam(a)smaps.net> wrote in message > news:88hnl1F4q1U1(a)mid.individual.net... >> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >> news:4c23a210$0$15133$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> "Iain" <spam(a)smaps.net> wrote in message >> >>>> I would disagree with that. There is a very strong tendency now for >>>> pedestrians not to take the necessary care even when using crossings. >>>> There is very little discipline, ie. the old-fashioned 'Stop, look and >>>> listen'. People seem to assume that the traffic will stop for them. >>>> This is very noticeable particularly at pedestrian crossings. >>> >>> Well, as most pedestrian crossings have traffic lights to stop the >>> traffic (except for the few remaining Zebra crossings with orange >>> beacons at the sides), I think its a fair assumption that the cars will >>> have stopped at the red light - best to make sure though! > > There is a light controlled crossing near me where drivers regularly fail > to to at the red light and it is in a 40 mph limit (so traffic can be > moving at speeds up to about 50ish). I have consequently drummed into my > kids to, always check the traffic even if the man is green, especially > since I had to grab one of them to stop crossing the road when the man was > green but a car was approaching at speed and didn't stop anyway. > >> There are still a large number of zebra crossings in London - one almost >> outside my door. It is not unusual to see someone walking up to the >> kerb-edge and just walk straight onto the crossing; no pause to see if >> there's an appropriate gap. I find that sometimes a couple of cars may >> go by before one stops for me when I wait at the kerb. And a small waive >> of acknowledgement or a mouthed 'Thanks' to the first car that stops does >> not go amiss either. It certainly seems to be the younger age range >> (even including school age) that do not bother to stop and at least >> pause. > > There is also a crossing patrol "lolipop man" locally who sees it as his > duty to dart into the road completely unannounced and present his "Stop" > sign. He does not wait for a gap in the traffic, he does not even wait for > there to be somone wanting to cross the road. Instead he will jump in > front of cars and ask the pedestrians on the pavement if they want to > cross. And they do not always want to. Then report him - he is supposed to stand at a the side with his lolly pop sticking out into the road a little until the cars stop - then he should walk into the middle and have people cross in front of him. I think you are completely within your rights to run him down if he "darts into the road completely unannounced"!
From: Brimstone on 25 Jun 2010 04:58
"bod" <bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:88j5kcFj00U1(a)mid.individual.net... > Brimstone wrote: >> >> "bod" <bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:88j1cvFrv1U1(a)mid.individual.net... >>> mileburner wrote: >> >>>> There is also a crossing patrol "lolipop man" locally who sees it as >>>> his duty to dart into the road completely unannounced and present his >>>> "Stop" sign. He does not wait for a gap in the traffic, he does not >>>> even wait for there to be somone wanting to cross the road. Instead he >>>> will jump in front of cars and ask the pedestrians on the pavement if >>>> they want to cross. And they do not always want to. >>>> >>> Is his name Doug, by any chance? >>> >> Doug would never do anything so public spirited as becoming a "lollipop >> man". > > No, but he might do it out of spite, just to annoy motorists. > An interesting thought and not one that occurred to me because it shows Doug to be even more mean minded than we all know him to be. Well done. |