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From: Ed Chilada on 4 May 2010 03:37 On Mon, 03 May 2010 20:31:10 +0100, Harry Bloomfield <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >Ed Chilada pretended : >> On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:41:45 +0100, ChelseaTractorMan >> <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:32:21 +0100, Harry Bloomfield >>> <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> Such as not allowing more of a worthwhile gap to develop ahead of you. >>>> Such as pulling forward too quickly. >>> >>> 10 seconds is quite a long time in a rush hour queue. >> >> Indeed it is. If everyone were doing that just think of the effect >> that would have on the back of the queue. > >No it would not, all that is needed is one driver leaving one gap, then >you get a worthwhile improvement in distance covered per move forward. Sure, but then you're relying on all the other drivers *not* adopting the behaviour that you're suggesting and therefore "doing something very silly".
From: Brimstone on 4 May 2010 03:40 "Ed Chilada" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:2ejvt5hjufmvd4of51su60d9upat0buqsk(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 4 May 2010 00:02:27 -0700 (PDT), Martyn H > <martyn.hodson(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > >>On 29 Apr, 22:09, Ed Chilada <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote: >>> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:54:47 +0100, Harry Bloomfield >>> >>> <harry.m1...(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>> >Ed Chilada wrote : >>> >> In very slow stop-start motorway traffic, putting your handbrake >>> >> on/off and your car in and out of neutral every 10 seconds would get >>> >> old very quickly. >>> >>> >If you are stopping and starting every 10 seconds then you are doing >>> >something very silly! >>> >>> Such as? >> >>being one of the fools who feels that they have to behave like sheep >>or cattle being driven intoa press in such matters rather than waiting >>for a reasonable gap ( or the order of 10s of metters to open up and >>then moving up ) > > And what would happen to the rear of the queue if everyone decided to > wait for a "reasonable" gap before bothering to move forward? > It would keep moving at a very slow pace. Try it some time.
From: Harry Bloomfield on 4 May 2010 12:20 Brimstone explained : > > "Ed Chilada" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message > news:2ejvt5hjufmvd4of51su60d9upat0buqsk(a)4ax.com... >> On Tue, 4 May 2010 00:02:27 -0700 (PDT), Martyn H >> <martyn.hodson(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>>On 29 Apr, 22:09, Ed Chilada <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote: >>>> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:54:47 +0100, Harry Bloomfield >>>> >>>> <harry.m1...(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >Ed Chilada wrote : >>>> >> In very slow stop-start motorway traffic, putting your handbrake >>>> >> on/off and your car in and out of neutral every 10 seconds would get >>>> >> old very quickly. >>>> >>>> >If you are stopping and starting every 10 seconds then you are doing >>>> >something very silly! >>>> >>>> Such as? >>> >>>being one of the fools who feels that they have to behave like sheep >>>or cattle being driven intoa press in such matters rather than waiting >>>for a reasonable gap ( or the order of 10s of metters to open up and >>>then moving up ) >> >> And what would happen to the rear of the queue if everyone decided to >> wait for a "reasonable" gap before bothering to move forward? >> > It would keep moving at a very slow pace. Try it some time. Quite right! There is nothing worse in a queue, than everyone racing forward and banging on their brakes. Even one driver with the sense to not do that, but to trickle forward only when there is a worth while space smoothes out the flow - but it can only work so far back, as the first driver who again wants to race forward. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk
From: Ed Chilada on 4 May 2010 16:59 On Tue, 04 May 2010 17:20:47 +0100, Harry Bloomfield <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >Brimstone explained : >> >> "Ed Chilada" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:2ejvt5hjufmvd4of51su60d9upat0buqsk(a)4ax.com... >>> On Tue, 4 May 2010 00:02:27 -0700 (PDT), Martyn H >>> <martyn.hodson(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On 29 Apr, 22:09, Ed Chilada <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:54:47 +0100, Harry Bloomfield >>>>> >>>>> <harry.m1...(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> >Ed Chilada wrote : >>>>> >> In very slow stop-start motorway traffic, putting your handbrake >>>>> >> on/off and your car in and out of neutral every 10 seconds would get >>>>> >> old very quickly. >>>>> >>>>> >If you are stopping and starting every 10 seconds then you are doing >>>>> >something very silly! >>>>> >>>>> Such as? >>>> >>>>being one of the fools who feels that they have to behave like sheep >>>>or cattle being driven intoa press in such matters rather than waiting >>>>for a reasonable gap ( or the order of 10s of metters to open up and >>>>then moving up ) >>> >>> And what would happen to the rear of the queue if everyone decided to >>> wait for a "reasonable" gap before bothering to move forward? >>> >> It would keep moving at a very slow pace. Try it some time. > >Quite right! Quite wrong. It would take a *lot* longer to even start moving, during which time even more traffic would be building up behind it. >There is nothing worse in a queue, than everyone racing forward and >banging on their brakes. Even one driver with the sense to not do that, >but to trickle forward only when there is a worth while space smoothes >out the flow - but it can only work so far back, as the first driver >who again wants to race forward. People attempting to "smooth out the flow", simply slow the progress of the jam and make it worse than it needs to be. They also invariably get people swapping lanes in front of them. It's like how everyone who slows to rubberneck thinks they're only causing a fractional delay.
From: Brimstone on 5 May 2010 02:49
"Ed Chilada" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:np01u5da0h7vblj2ihemjid6oiiv14l36d(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 04 May 2010 17:20:47 +0100, Harry Bloomfield > <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >>Brimstone explained : >>> >>> "Ed Chilada" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>> news:2ejvt5hjufmvd4of51su60d9upat0buqsk(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Tue, 4 May 2010 00:02:27 -0700 (PDT), Martyn H >>>> <martyn.hodson(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On 29 Apr, 22:09, Ed Chilada <nos...(a)nospam.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:54:47 +0100, Harry Bloomfield >>>>>> >>>>>> <harry.m1...(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >Ed Chilada wrote : >>>>>> >> In very slow stop-start motorway traffic, putting your handbrake >>>>>> >> on/off and your car in and out of neutral every 10 seconds would >>>>>> >> get >>>>>> >> old very quickly. >>>>>> >>>>>> >If you are stopping and starting every 10 seconds then you are doing >>>>>> >something very silly! >>>>>> >>>>>> Such as? >>>>> >>>>>being one of the fools who feels that they have to behave like sheep >>>>>or cattle being driven intoa press in such matters rather than waiting >>>>>for a reasonable gap ( or the order of 10s of metters to open up and >>>>>then moving up ) >>>> >>>> And what would happen to the rear of the queue if everyone decided to >>>> wait for a "reasonable" gap before bothering to move forward? >>>> >>> It would keep moving at a very slow pace. Try it some time. >> >>Quite right! > > Quite wrong. It would take a *lot* longer to even start moving, during > which time even more traffic would be building up behind it. > > >>There is nothing worse in a queue, than everyone racing forward and >>banging on their brakes. Even one driver with the sense to not do that, >>but to trickle forward only when there is a worth while space smoothes >>out the flow - but it can only work so far back, as the first driver >>who again wants to race forward. > > People attempting to "smooth out the flow", simply slow the progress > of the jam and make it worse than it needs to be. They also invariably > get people swapping lanes in front of them. It's like how everyone who > slows to rubberneck thinks they're only causing a fractional delay. > How do you know, have you ever done it? |