From: Noddy on

"Yvan" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
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> You think that it would be a good idea to connect a heater coolant into
> vaporizer at the part 14 (smaller diameter hose connected here is for
> carburetor autochoke heater) and output at the end of the hose 15 (it
> is connected to inlet manifold). Currently I have two T-connectors at
> the cabin heater hoses, and vaporizer hoses are connected there.
>
>
> http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=1051&mospid=47249&btnr=11_0744&hg=11&fg=35

I would connect the vaporiser in series at point 13 or 15 in place of either
of those two original hoses. Do away with the T connectors and use a couple
of hoses to connect the vaporiser in line in place of either hose 13 or 15
so the coolant flows directly through the vaporiser rather than being shared
between the vaporiser and the original hose via a T-connector.

> So to summarize I could start my engine at, say -15 Celsius. Standard
> coolant pump pushing coolant the way I just described should do the
> job?

I can't see why not.

-15 will not be cold enough to prevent gas flow and the engine from
starting, and the quicker you get your vaporiser warmed up the happier it
will be.

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From: Noddy on

"Yvan" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
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> I just did some testing (nice sunny weather today :-). I drilled small
> hole near the top of the carburetor with a thread in it, and used a bolt
> to fix choke plate in opened position. I can now start and run on lpg
> from cold with spud pipes setup. I will have to test this again
> tomorrow morning, it was warm outside today.

Well done.

> So I guess that with amos ring it must be even better.

All else being equal, spud pipes would be the worst possible solution to
getting gas into the engine. An Amos ring would be a dramatic improvement,
and a complex mixer would be better again in order of magnitude. If you can
get your minor niggles sorted out and come up with an Amos ring type mixer
that works, you should have a reliable and well performing lpg system that
will start & run regardless of the temperature.

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From: Yvan on
Nedavno Noddy pi�e:

>> I just did some testing (nice sunny weather today :-). I drilled
>> small hole near the top of the carburetor with a thread in it, and
>> used a bolt to fix choke plate in opened position. I can now start
>> and run on lpg from cold with spud pipes setup. I will have to test
>> this again tomorrow morning, it was warm outside today.
>
> Well done.

Not actually :-( It was relatively warm yesterday, and the engine did
not cool completely. This morning choke block did not make any
difference. I could not start the engine, and it would not idle until
it warmed up almost to the normal operating temperature. But not to
worry, amos ring is at final stages of design, I just need to fabricate
it :-)


> If you can get your minor niggles sorted out and come up
> with an Amos ring type mixer that works, you should have a reliable
> and well performing lpg system that will start & run regardless of the
> temperature.


I hope so :-)



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From: Yvan on
Nedavno Noddy pi�e:

> I would connect the vaporiser in series at point 13 or 15 in place of
> either of those two original hoses. Do away with the T connectors and
> use a couple of hoses to connect the vaporiser in line in place of
> either hose 13 or 15 so the coolant flows directly through the
> vaporiser rather than being shared between the vaporiser and the
> original hose via a T-connector.


I thought so. So that is next, I need to finish amos ring fabrication
first.


>> So to summarize I could start my engine at, say -15 Celsius. Standard
>> coolant pump pushing coolant the way I just described should do the
>> job?
>
> I can't see why not.
>
> -15 will not be cold enough to prevent gas flow and the engine from
> starting, and the quicker you get your vaporiser warmed up the happier
> it will be.


I thought that was to cold for lpg start. It does not often get colder
than that here. So, perhaps I can convert to lpg only, I do not need
petrol.

I was told that starting on lpg at low temperatures is bad for membrane
in the vaporizer (converter), it shortens it's life. How often do you
need to change this membrane? Mine is some 4-5 years old, and ~22000 km


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From: Noddy on

"Yvan(a)office" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message
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> I was told that starting on lpg at low temperatures is bad for membrane
> in the vaporizer (converter), it shortens it's life.

Not that I'm aware of.

As I mentioned earlier, it doesn't get as cold here in sunny old Melbourne
(that's an in joke for the rest of the aus.cars readers) as it does in your
part of the world, but I've never known lpg to have cold start issues in the
25 years I've been using it as a vehicle fuel. LPG is actually better than
petrol through a carburettor in cold weather as it doesn't have the
atomization issues petrol has in cold climates.

> How often do you need to change this membrane? Mine is some 4-5 years old,
> and ~22000 km

Generally not very often, but it would depend largely on your vaporiser.

I have two vehicles on lpg. One I'm just finishing converting to straight
gas from a dual fuel system and the other that is dual fuel. The dual fuel
vehicle uses all Impco gas equipment, while the straight gas vehicle uses an
Impco mixer and an OHG vaporiser/converter. The dual fuel vehicle (a Jeep
Cherokee) has done near on 180,000km's on gas with one gas adjustment in
that time that I know of at the hands of it's previous owner, and in the
three years I've had it the thing hasn't so much as had the gas system
looked at let alone touched. It still runs as good today as when I first
purchased it, with only regular vehicle servicing every 5000kms (when I
remember to do it).

I owned a Mitsubishi Express van that I put over 350,000km's on using
nothing but lpg and the vaporiser was never touched in that time, and my
father had three of the things in succession that all travelled around the
same distance on lpg without any issues whatsoever.

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Noddy.