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From: dan on 17 Dec 2009 18:18 "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> writes: >> Cyclists, like horse riders and pedestrians, have the right to use the >> roads. > > No they don't. This is, in fact and in law, incorrect > Horse riders and pedestrians don't use vehicles. Cyclists > do. And this is entirely irrelevant -dan
From: The Medway Handyman on 17 Dec 2009 18:43 dan(a)telent.net wrote: > "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> writes: > >>> Cyclists, like horse riders and pedestrians, have the right to use >>> the roads. >> >> No they don't. > > This is, in fact and in law, incorrect No doubt you can back this up with some facts? >> Horse riders and pedestrians don't use vehicles. Cyclists >> do. > > And this is entirely irrelevant Irrelevant only to a fuckwit I'm afraid. -- Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist
From: Adrian on 17 Dec 2009 18:51 "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>>> Cyclists, like horse riders and pedestrians, have the right to use >>>> the roads. >>> No they don't. >> This is, in fact and in law, incorrect > No doubt you can back this up with some facts? <shrug> It's true. Motor vehicles & their operators need a licence - which can be withdrawn - to use the road. Cyclists, pedestrians, horses & riders do not. They have a legal right to use the road (with the explicit exception of certain sections of road) You might not like it, but it's undeniably true.
From: NM on 17 Dec 2009 21:36 On 17 Dec, 09:32, Peter Grange <pe...(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: > On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:19:51 -0800 (PST), NM <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> > wrote: > > > > >On 16 Dec, 22:53, Peter Grange <pe...(a)plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:37:36 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" > > >> <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> >Peter Grange wrote: > >> >> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:44:14 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" > >> >> <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > >> >>> Peter Grange wrote: > >> >>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:39:40 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" > >> >>>> <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > >> >>>>> Peter Grange wrote: > >> >>>>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:54:24 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" > >> >>>>>> <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > >> >>>>>>> Peter Grange wrote: > >> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:39:32 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" > >> >>>>>>>> <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > >> >>>>>>>>> Adrian wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> > >> >>>>>>>>>> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Would it be OK if all of country's millions of bicycles, > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> which would be in VED band A (Fee = £0), got a stamped > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> round bit of paper from the Post Office and stuck it on > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> their frames? Would that do it for you? I wouldn't mind if > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it made van drivers gave me more respect on the road. > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> No, not really. They would have to pay a fee to cover the > >> >>>>>>>>>>> inconvenience of admin. > > >> >>>>>>>>>> Why does that apply to one form of zero-charge VED, yet not to > >> >>>>>>>>>> others? > > >> >>>>>>>>> Because zero rated cars still have number plates, so the pokice > >> >>>>>>>>> can check they have insurance & trace them when they break > >> >>>>>>>>> traffic laws. > > >> >>>>>>>>>> Or do you think that all zero-charge VED should pay an > >> >>>>>>>>>> "inconvenience of admin" fee? > > >> >>>>>>>>> No, they pay enough in VAT & fuel duty to cover it. > > >> >>>>>>>> Hang on, we had the VAT argument already. In your strange world > >> >>>>>>>> VAT on bikes doesn't count, so wht does it on cars? > > >> >>>>>>> Because its a hell of a lot more innit. > > >> >>>>>> So what was your argument against the millionaire paying more tax > >> >>>>>> then? > > >> >>>>> The percentage of VAT is the same, but 15% on a £100 push bike and > >> >>>>> 15% on a £10,000 car are vastly different sums of money. > > >> >>>> You really have no idea do you. I would no more ride a £100 bike > >> >>>> than you would use a Trabant van to run your business. Try and stay > >> >>>> on the same planet. > > >> >>>>> I didn't have an argument about millionaire cyclists. > > >> >>>> Except to say that a motorist has more right to be on the road than > >> >>>> a cyclist because he (in the majority of cases) pays more vat than > >> >>>> the cyclist, but the millionaire who paid more vat than the motorist > >> >>>> doesn't have an equally greater right than the motorist. > > >> >>> Do stop making things up. Everyone whos pays road tax has the right > >> >>> to use the road. Those who don't pay it, don't. > > >> >> You're entitled to your opinion, which is all that is. My opinion is > >> >> that you are either a troll or gobsmackingly ignorant. > > >> >My opinion is that you are a freeloading, sponging cyclist who will go to > >> >any lengths to try & justify not paying his way. > > >> And you're entitled to that too. > > >I should hope so, He's right. > > And you are entitled to hold whatever completely wrong views you wish, > too. And as in the case, a correct one.
From: MasonS on 18 Dec 2009 12:14
On 16 Dec, 19:34, "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Peter Grange wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:41:05 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" > > <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > >> Peter Grange wrote: > >>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:37:47 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" > >>> <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > >>>> Mas...(a)BP.com wrote: > >>>>> On 14 Dec, 17:54, "The Medway Handyman" > >>>>> <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >>>>>> Peter Grange wrote: > >>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:39:32 GMT, "The Medway Handyman" > >>>>>>> <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> Adrian wrote: > >>>>>>>>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...(a)nospamblueyonder.co.uk> > >>>>>>>>> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > > >>>>>>>>>>> Would it be OK if all of country's millions of bicycles, > >>>>>>>>>>> which would be in VED band A (Fee = £0), got a stamped > >>>>>>>>>>> round bit of paper from the Post Office and stuck it on > >>>>>>>>>>> their frames? Would that do it for you? I wouldn't mind if > >>>>>>>>>>> it made van drivers gave me more respect on the road. > > >>>>>>>>>> No, not really. They would have to pay a fee to cover the > >>>>>>>>>> inconvenience of admin. > > >>>>>>>>> Why does that apply to one form of zero-charge VED, yet not to > >>>>>>>>> others? > > >>>>>>>> Because zero rated cars still have number plates, so the pokice > >>>>>>>> can check they have insurance & trace them when they break > >>>>>>>> traffic laws. > > >>>>>>>>> Or do you think that all zero-charge VED should pay an > >>>>>>>>> "inconvenience of admin" fee? > > >>>>>>>> No, they pay enough in VAT & fuel duty to cover it. > > >>>>>>> Hang on, we had the VAT argument already. In your strange world > >>>>>>> VAT on bikes doesn't count, so wht does it on cars? > > >>>>>> Because its a hell of a lot more innit. > > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>>> Ah, we are making progress now. So the millionaire cyclist who pay > >>>>> for his new yacht and incurs more in VAT than you will earn in > >>>>> your entire life, is more entitled to use the road than you? > > >>>> No idiot boy, he pays the same fee for using the road as I do. > > >>>>> Game, set and match. > > >>>> Only in your deranged mind. > > >>> So, let's get this straight. You say a motorist who payed more vat > >>> on a car than a cyclist payed on his bike (which is true in most, > >>> but not all, cases) has more right to use the road, even if they > >>> both paid zero VED, but someone who paid more vat on his yacht than > >>> the motorist paid on his car has no more right to use the road? > > >> No I don't say that. > > > Read your posts. You have said that VAT on a car is "more innit", and > > you have said that the millionaire pays the same VED so has no more > > right to the road. > > VAT is more on a car because a car costs more than a push bike. The > mythical millionaire cyclists <chuckles> pays the same Road Tax so has the > *same right* to use the road. Hurrah - we got there in the end. -- Simon Mason |