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From: mileburner on 22 Jul 2010 07:18 "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:4c48252f$0$8925$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > news:i2943c$bun$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> GT wrote: >>> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >>> news:i28le3$tdn$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> >>>> "GT" <ContactGT_rem_ove_(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4c4774db$0$12279$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>> "Bernard" <bernard.x.ramsden(a)x.btinternet.x.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:VMidnWDLFL8W79rRnZ2dnUVZ8hCdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>>>> >>>>>> "Jethro" <krazykara0(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:6842a0c5-6d67-4d78-a6b5-7ce0b485caa7(a)q35g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> Having just watched a number cars grinding up a hill near me (I >>>>>>> was walking) because a cyclist was at the head of the queue, and >>>>>>> it was too twisty and narrow to safely overtake, I started >>>>>>> wondering about the OVERALL effect cyclists have on carbon >>>>>>> emissions. Does all the extra carbon produced by cars having to >>>>>>> crawl behind >>>>>>> cyclists cancel out, or exceed the carbon saved by the cyclist ? >>>>>> >>>>>> If a driver is being held up by slow moving traffic and the driver >>>>>> is concerned about their affect on the environment, they they >>>>>> should find a safe place to park, turn off the engine and wait for >>>>>> the traffic to dissipate, >>>>> >>>>> How about... >>>>> If a driver is holding up traffic by moving more slowly than >>>>> everyone else is capable, he should find a safe place to stop and >>>>> let the faster moving traffic dissipate. >>>> >>>> Either way, if they were *that* concerned, they would probably not be >>>> driving... >>> >>> Driving / riding - are you going to argue about a verb now?? Petty! >>> >>> However this 'being concerned and stopping' is precisely the point - >>> cyclists don't care what problems they directly cause. They don't >>> give a damn about what is going on behind them. They are not >>> concerned about the pollution, queues and frustration that they >>> directly cause, they are only concerned with number 1 and things that >>> impact their day directly. This is evident daily on our roads and >>> frequently in this driving group and it annoys me. >> >> Ah, diddums. >> >> You are Violet Elizabeth Bott AICM5� > > What just hapenned? Are you OK? (not that I care!) Annoyed drivers are bad drivers. Wear that cap if you like too.
From: mileburner on 22 Jul 2010 07:21 "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:4c4826da$0$8965$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message > news:i297tj$a68$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> Graham Harrison wrote: >>>> How does a cyclist stopped at the side of the road put >>>> anyone else at risk? >>> >>> It depends, surely. If he stops on a straight where drivers can see >>> round him to pass safely all well and good. But if he stops on a >>> bend where the drivers can't see and to pass means they have to pull >>> into the oncoming lane the risk is of someone coming the other way. A >>> bicycle (and a human for that matter) does have some width. >> >> Thank you Graham for explaining the blatently obvious to the terminally >> thick. > > A stationary bicycle at the side of the road does not put anyone else at > risk. This is blatantly obvious to anyone with half a grasp on reality and > any basic spacial awareness! Like I say, terminally thick.
From: boltar2003 on 22 Jul 2010 07:33 On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:48:01 +0100 "Graham Harrison" <edward.harrison1(a)remove.btinternet.com> wrote: >> >> How does a cyclist stopped at the side of the road put >> anyone else at risk? >> > >It depends, surely. If he stops on a straight where drivers can see round >him to pass safely all well and good. But if he stops on a bend where the >drivers can't see and to pass means they have to pull into the oncoming lane >the risk is of someone coming the other way. A bicycle (and a human for >that matter) does have some width. No , that puts the cyclist at risk. Given the choice between having a head on with an oncoming vehicle and taking out a cyclist its a no brainer. So I ask once again - how does a cyclist stopped at the side of the road put anyone else at risk? B2003
From: mileburner on 22 Jul 2010 08:14 "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:4c482a41$0$8912$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > > The car driver is always wrong, isn't he? The car driver usually has a limited understanding of cycling. GT and Boltar are examples of that. Its his fault that there is a > bicycle in the road, managing 8mph up a hill, refusing to move over, > deliberately riding in the middle of the lane to prevent cars from passing > him. If he was not there, there would be no other road user in front of him. Its the drivers fault that he finds this frustrating and that he would > prefer to drive nearer to 30, 50 or 60mph. The state of mind of the driver, is down to the driver. Its the drivers fault that he > needs to get to work, or home to his family and finds the unneccessary > delay annoying. You got it, it's down to the driver. They *chose* to drive, now they have to learn to share the roads with others. If they are annoyed, they should do something else or look at another method of transport. Its the drivers fault that there is a wall at the side of the > road. Its the drivers fault... Whine whine whine. Get a life...
From: GT on 22 Jul 2010 08:19
"mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message news:i299j0$nt3$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message > news:4c4826da$0$8965$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message >> news:i297tj$a68$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> Graham Harrison wrote: >>>>> How does a cyclist stopped at the side of the road put >>>>> anyone else at risk? >>>> >>>> It depends, surely. If he stops on a straight where drivers can see >>>> round him to pass safely all well and good. But if he stops on a >>>> bend where the drivers can't see and to pass means they have to pull >>>> into the oncoming lane the risk is of someone coming the other way. A >>>> bicycle (and a human for that matter) does have some width. >>> >>> Thank you Graham for explaining the blatently obvious to the terminally >>> thick. >> >> A stationary bicycle at the side of the road does not put anyone else at >> risk. This is blatantly obvious to anyone with half a grasp on reality >> and any basic spacial awareness! > > Like I say, terminally thick. Are you! What a shame. When will you be leaving us then? |