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From: The Revd on 2 Mar 2010 03:00 On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 23:13:44 -0800 (PST), Doug <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote: >On 2 Mar, 07:01, Theodore <theodored...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 22:35:11 -0800 (PST), Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >It happens all over the world and seems to be tolerated by police >> >despite the deliberate intent. Is there an unspoken special >> >dispensation for drivers against cyclists? >> >> >"...Friday evening, they corked the intersection of Peachtree St. and >> >Eighth. One motorist strongly took exception. >> >"You can't go through a red light if you're a vehicle," the motorist >> >is heard saying on a YouTube video. >> >> >The video, shot by cyclist Matt Todd, shows the driver threatening to >> >strike a bicyclist with his car. >> >> >"If you don't move, I'll run you over," he said just a few seconds >> >before putting the car in gear, lightly striking a bicyclist..." >> >> >More with videos: >> >http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=141270&catid=3 >> >> LOL! Well done that driver. >> >So you think that its OK for motorists to deliberately ram cyclists to >make them move out of the way and this should be allowed in law? If cyclists want to avail themselves of the protection of the law, they will have to obey it first.
From: Doug on 2 Mar 2010 03:26 On 2 Mar, 07:59, ffor...(a)smythe.com (The Revd) wrote: > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 22:35:11 -0800 (PST), Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> > wrote: > > >It happens all over the world and seems to be tolerated by police > >despite the deliberate intent. Is there an unspoken special > >dispensation for drivers against cyclists? > > There ought to be. > > >"...Friday evening, they corked the intersection of Peachtree St. and > >Eighth. One motorist strongly took exception. > >"You can't go through a red light if you're a vehicle," the motorist > >is heard saying on a YouTube video. > > >The video, shot by cyclist Matt Todd, shows the driver threatening to > >strike a bicyclist with his car. > > >"If you don't move, I'll run you over," he said just a few seconds > >before putting the car in gear, lightly striking a bicyclist..." > > Lightly? Too lightly, it seems. > It is becoming increasingly clear here that motorists believe the deliberate use of a car as a physical weapon is sometimes justified. Which, of course, explains a lot about the average motorist's mindset. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill.
From: Toom Tabard on 2 Mar 2010 03:43 On 2 Mar, 06:35, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > It happens all over the world and seems to be tolerated by police > despite the deliberate intent. Is there an unspoken special > dispensation for drivers against cyclists? > > "...Friday evening, they corked the intersection of Peachtree St. and > Eighth. One motorist strongly took exception. > "You can't go through a red light if you're a vehicle," the motorist > is heard saying on a YouTube video. > > The video, shot by cyclist Matt Todd, shows the driver threatening to > strike a bicyclist with his car. > > "If you don't move, I'll run you over," he said just a few seconds > before putting the car in gear, lightly striking a bicyclist..." > > More with videos:http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=141270&catid=3 > > -- > Critical Mass Londonhttp://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk > "Get out of my way you f*ing cyclist" If you unlawfully and without good cause block someone's right to free passage, then they can use reasonable force to proceed (deciding to hold your own procession and block people to let your mates pass is unlikely to constitute good cause). If you further provoke by continuing to block free passage then that would be regarded as mitigating circumstances in defence of anyone assaulting you. It is not an issue of drivers-v-cyclists pers se. Try (with or without your bike) blocking a pedestrian on the pavement and refusing to let him pass. Don't be surprised if he tries to push past. Try continuing to block him. Don't be surprised if you end up with a fat lip. And, if you've videoed the whole thing, don't be surprised if a court finds you are entirely the author of your own misfortune. Toom
From: Doug on 2 Mar 2010 04:06 On 2 Mar, 08:43, Toom Tabard <t...(a)tabard.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > On 2 Mar, 06:35, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > > It happens all over the world and seems to be tolerated by police > > despite the deliberate intent. Is there an unspoken special > > dispensation for drivers against cyclists? > > > "...Friday evening, they corked the intersection of Peachtree St. and > > Eighth. One motorist strongly took exception. > > "You can't go through a red light if you're a vehicle," the motorist > > is heard saying on a YouTube video. > > > The video, shot by cyclist Matt Todd, shows the driver threatening to > > strike a bicyclist with his car. > > > "If you don't move, I'll run you over," he said just a few seconds > > before putting the car in gear, lightly striking a bicyclist..." > > > More with videos:http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=141270&catid=3 > > If you unlawfully and without good cause block someone's right to free > passage, then they can use reasonable force to proceed (deciding to > hold your own procession and block people to let your mates pass is > unlikely to constitute good cause). > Source? > > If you further provoke by continuing to block free passage then that > would be regarded as mitigating circumstances in defence of anyone > assaulting you. > It is not an issue of drivers-v-cyclists pers se. Try (with or without > your bike) blocking a pedestrian on the pavement and refusing to let > him pass. Don't be surprised if he tries to push past. Try continuing > to block him. Don't be surprised if you end up with a fat lip. And, if > you've videoed the whole thing, don't be surprised if a court finds > you are entirely the author of your own misfortune. > What is likely to happen and what can happen legally are not the same. Also I have no doubt that such a jury would consist of a majority of motorists. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net One man's democracy is another man's Aristotlean motorist mob.
From: Mrcheerful on 2 Mar 2010 04:12
Doug wrote: > It happens all over the world and seems to be tolerated by police > despite the deliberate intent. Is there an unspoken special > dispensation for drivers against cyclists? > > "...Friday evening, they corked the intersection of Peachtree St. and > Eighth. One motorist strongly took exception. > "You can't go through a red light if you're a vehicle," the motorist > is heard saying on a YouTube video. > > The video, shot by cyclist Matt Todd, shows the driver threatening to > strike a bicyclist with his car. > > "If you don't move, I'll run you over," he said just a few seconds > before putting the car in gear, lightly striking a bicyclist..." > > More with videos: > http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=141270&catid=3 looks like a staged 'incident' to me. If it was genuine then how could the vehicle fail to be identified, likewise the 'policeman' |