Lack of arm signals
in [UK Drivers]
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From: Martin on 26 Nov 2009 00:40 "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:7mklmkF310krfU6(a)mid.individual.net... > Tony Dragon <tony.dragon(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much > like they were saying: > >>>> When I passed my test (44 yrs ago), the examiner said, "assume your >>>> indicators have failed, so for the next ten minutes you must use only >>>> hand signals". I'm surprised that the modern test doesn't use the same >>>> procedure. > >>> Indicators don't "just fail". > >> So you always know when a bulb is going to fail & change it beforehand? > > Bulbs are so hard to buy, or keep spares handy, aren't they? While you are driving (as opposed to the check that we *all* do before we set off on each and every journey!) how do you know when a bulb has failed. The only time I ever give a hand signal is to reinforce a right indicator when I'm going all the way round a mini roundabout (ie doing a U turn), to make it abundantly clear to an oncoming car that he must give way to me.
From: Martin on 26 Nov 2009 00:48 "Mike P" <stripeytabby(a)live.co.uk> wrote in message news:c3f553f7-181f-4371-944e-4742c2a79e91(a)m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... On 19 Nov, 12:24, Kiteflyer <ann_marie050...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On Nov 19, 11:04 am, Bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > > I'm in the AA. Had to call them out on Tuesday night actually. AirFlow meter in my car packed up, leaving me stranded in Slough. Got to me within 30 mins, spent 90 mins diagnosing and testing everything in the fuel system as it wasn't immediately obvious what the problem was. Did a very thorough job, I was quite impressed. I was just expecting to be fobbed off and towed home. For what I pay per year, it was well worth it - I got my entire fuel and ignition system checked out, and anything that needed cleaning cleaning. The yearly fee is still cheaper than a tow home, and if I do it 4 more times, then I really will have got super value. ==== Two of the three times that I've called out the RAC, the car has been unrepairable at the roadside (broken fanbelt, twice in a month - garage did a duff repair the first time) so I had to be towed. Gone are the days when a tie or a pair of tights/stockings can be used as a temporary repair - now it's a highly-tensioned ridged belt that is almost inaccessible because of the narrow gap between engine and wheel arch. The only other time was when I had a puncture and the screw that released the spare tyre from under the boot had rusted and I couldn't get enough purchase on the bolt to free it. Why *do* Peugeot use a crappy oversized slotted screw head instead of a proper hexagonal nut the same size as the wheelnuts? After that happened I made sure I greased the thread every couple of months.
From: Martin on 26 Nov 2009 00:53 "NM" <nik.morgan(a)mac.com> wrote in message news:42642d0a-6469-4c2d-8229-379e8207568a(a)f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... On 19 Nov, 19:27, Ray Keattch <r.keattch5...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: I just look at the display when I first put the key in, the info box tells me if there is a lamp out. === I wish more cars had that feature. I remember seeing it demonstrated on a stand at the Birmingham Motor Show years ago but I've yet to drive a car which has had it.
From: Martin on 26 Nov 2009 00:59 "Tim" <timdownie2003(a)obvious.yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:7ml7roF3i8isjU1(a)mid.individual.net... > loopy livernose wrote: >> "Bod" <bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:7mkia2F3ib56eU1(a)mid.individual.net... >>> I can't remember the last time I saw a driver use an arm signal. >>> I use them occasionally. >>> Is it a forgotten art or do drivers not bother anymore? >>> >>> Bod >> >> Most modern cars you couldn't see the driver doing them.. through >> the tiny rear windows.. > > What's the size of the rear window got to do with anything? > > http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_070566.pdf I'm always surprised that the turning-left hand signal and the slowing-down hand signal aren't more different. Seen from behind, they look almost identical because you only see the vertical component of the rotation for the turning-left signal unless you are right behind the car that is signalling.
From: Bod on 26 Nov 2009 04:29
Martin wrote: > "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:7mklmkF310krfU6(a)mid.individual.net... >> Tony Dragon <tony.dragon(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much >> like they were saying: >> >>>>> When I passed my test (44 yrs ago), the examiner said, "assume your >>>>> indicators have failed, so for the next ten minutes you must use only >>>>> hand signals". I'm surprised that the modern test doesn't use the same >>>>> procedure. >> >>>> Indicators don't "just fail". >> >>> So you always know when a bulb is going to fail & change it beforehand? >> >> Bulbs are so hard to buy, or keep spares handy, aren't they? > > While you are driving (as opposed to the check that we *all* do before > we set off on each and every journey!) how do you know when a bulb has > failed. > > The only time I ever give a hand signal is to reinforce a right > indicator when I'm going all the way round a mini roundabout (ie doing a > U turn), to make it abundantly clear to an oncoming car that he must > give way to me. Any arm signal should only be interpreted as an indication of what you intend to do. You cannot demand that they must give way to you. Bod |