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From: Tony Raven on 21 Jul 2010 12:52 nmm1(a)cam.ac.uk wrote: > In article <4ZWdnStgP6COStvRnZ2dnUVZ8qQAAAAA(a)bt.com>, > Tony Raven <junk(a)raven-family.invalid> wrote: >> In front of the cab is a dangerous place to be too. More than a few >> cyclists have been run over by a driver who pulled up behind a cyclist >> who then became out of sight, out of mind for the driver. Visibility >> directly in front of the cab is not good unless you stand out of the >> seat and lean forward. > > Then get a more visible bicycle! I don't have that problem. > Ummm how do you get a more visible bicycle if its in a place that can't be seen from the cab? Of course you don't have the problem, you gave up cycling years ago AFAIR. -- Tony " I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong." Bertrand Russell
From: nmm1 on 21 Jul 2010 13:02 In article <1NednRx8N5YpuNrRnZ2dnUVZ7qSdnZ2d(a)bt.com>, Tony Raven <junk(a)raven-family.invalid> wrote: > >>> In front of the cab is a dangerous place to be too. More than a few >>> cyclists have been run over by a driver who pulled up behind a cyclist >>> who then became out of sight, out of mind for the driver. Visibility >>> directly in front of the cab is not good unless you stand out of the >>> seat and lean forward. >> >> Then get a more visible bicycle! I don't have that problem. > >Ummm how do you get a more visible bicycle if its in a place that can't >be seen from the cab? Eh? I assure you that the drivers CAN see ahead! Don't ride a recumbent, monkey bicycle or in a way that keeps you low on the ground. It's not hard for anyone of over 6', as I believe that you are. >Of course you don't have the problem, you gave up cycling years ago AFAIR. Only around Cambridge. Regards, Nick Maclaren.
From: Tony Raven on 21 Jul 2010 13:21 nmm1(a)cam.ac.uk wrote: >> Ummm how do you get a more visible bicycle if its in a place that can't >> be seen from the cab? > > Eh? I assure you that the drivers CAN see ahead! From the Camden cycling list "I visited the Camden green fair yesterday where the Metropolitan police where doing demonstrations where you could climb into the cab of one of those huge 18ton trucks you see lumbering around the city delivering to building sites, the idea being to see what they can see in their mirrors. Whilst it was no surprise to find out they have a limited view it was a shock to see just how limited it is, they cannot even see what's in the advanced stop line in front of them unless they have a special mirror." I have heard that confirmed by drivers who say the only way to see is to stand up in the cab and lean forward to get a better angle of view. So basically an ASL is not a safe place to be if a lorry pulls up behind you. -- Tony " I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong." Bertrand Russell
From: nmm1 on 21 Jul 2010 13:30 In article <CZqdnatPW9A0sdrRnZ2dnUVZ8k6dnZ2d(a)bt.com>, Tony Raven <junk(a)raven-family.invalid> wrote: > >>> Ummm how do you get a more visible bicycle if its in a place that can't >>> be seen from the cab? >> >> Eh? I assure you that the drivers CAN see ahead! It may surprise you but, if I can see their face, they can see mine. Dammit, I can even see their faces when walking in front of them, and my head is a lot higher on a bicycle, because of the pedal clearance and extended leg length. As I said, this is a problem mainly for children and small people. Regards, Nick Maclaren.
From: Adrian on 21 Jul 2010 15:58
"Just zis Guy, you know?" <guy.chapman(a)spamcop.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> The Metropolitan Police and TfL seem to think the blame goes both >>> ways, they are targeting both communities with education campaigns. >>They're not blaming the truck drivers. They're telling the truck drivers >>to be extra careful in case of idiots trying to commit suicide under >>their trucks. > Ignorance <> suicide. Ignoring basic common sense, leading directly to your own death, is most certainly suicidal. Oops. I forgot. They're cyclists. They must be whiter-than-white, right? Consistently ending up defending utter fuckwittery purely because of the mode of transport doesn't help ANYBODY. |