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From: Paul on 19 Apr 2010 11:54 On 19/04/2010 16:27, Brimstone wrote: > > > "Paul" <paul23223(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:8338nuFj8fU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> On 19/04/2010 15:40, Adrian wrote: >>> Paul<paul23223(a)hotmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they >>> were >>> saying: >>> >>>>> The dismantling's the easy bit. When did you last see an "old-style" >>>>> scrappy? >>> >>>> Hundreds round here.. >>> >>> I doubt it, not if you're in the EU. >>> >>> They might have cars "stacked up", but they're almost certainly racked, >>> the ground'll be concrete and properly tanked/drained - and anything you >>> want will be removed for you. >> Here's 2 - I could post another ten, all doing exactly the same today >> as in the google streetview - help yourself, that'll be a tenner mate. >> They may well 'drain the fuel' usually by sticking a screwdriver thru >> the bottom of the tank, but these are strictly - fetch yourself places. >> >> > But the ground has been tarmaced and the vehicles are only two high. In > a "trad" scrappy they'd be stacked four or more high and the ground > would be a mudbath with a mixture of water, various oils, diesel > (limited amounts) and possibly petrol before it evaporated. > > > The ground is only tarmaced because these yards were re-located from a prime piece of housing land they were at - where they were four deep and logged in mud - to these pre-existing 'trade yards' ie - industrial unit plus car park. They are mostly stacked three deep, because land is cheap here - they don't need to go to four - makes it easier for punters to get stuff off. And at least one of the pictures shows the yard covered in oil and fluids. There are NO fluid gathering tanks beneath, you can trust me. These are the 'presentable' ones - they need to have a veneer of repectability as can be seen on the likes of Streetview - I can't link to the nastier ones as the grot is hidden behind fences. This aerial of a small one gives you a clue - tarmac yes, but butting right up to the canal - hardly eco friendly. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=wellington+road&sll=52.556042,-2.086458&sspn=0.006353,0.01884&gl=uk&g=Withy+Rd,+Wednesfield,+Wolverhampton+WV14+0,+United+Kingdom&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Wellington+Rd,+Bilston,+West+Midlands+WV14,+United+Kingdom&ll=52.573446,-2.107703&spn=0.000394,0.001177&t=h&z=20
From: Albert T Cone on 19 Apr 2010 12:17 ARWadsworth wrote: > "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >>> >>> I've tried to find a report on this I read last year. It recommended >>> keeping an older boiler if it was in good condition because newer >>> boilers, while more efficient, are more likely to break down. Some >>> have needed complete replacement after as little as 5 years. >> The new one is an A1 blue-chip brand, with a five-year guarantee with >> servicing included in the price. I was able to cancel the BT c/h >> maintenance contract - �23.84 a month - that's �1430 saved over five >> years. Add the �400 scrappage, and the new boiler costs us about �400... > > And your fuel savings? That should be a couple of hundred pounds a year for > an average user. Very unlikely. Unless you have low-temperature returns on your heating system (i.e. basically if you have underfloor heating) then you won't get anywhere near the quoted condensing boiler efficiencies - your SEDBUK 90%+ rated boiler will return closer to 75-80%, so the benefits over a non-condensing boiler is relatively small. A saving of perhaps 10% on your annual fuel bill. If you are spending �2k a year on heating, then you need to have some windows fitted. BTW, I think the failure mechanism for 'modern' boilers is that the condensate is quite acidic, and attacks the aluminium of the secondary heat exchanger. I have heard reports of them failing after 4 or 5 years, but mine is nearly 10 years old and a visual inspection of the HE shows no real signs of pitting or corrosion, so I don't think folks should worry too much.
From: Ian on 22 Apr 2010 17:03 "AlanG" <invalid(a)invalid.net> wrote in message news:kj0os5puqmivl2bdcgvbgnacvrcql6rh22(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 01:20:16 +0100, JNugent > <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: > >>Ian wrote: >>> "ARWadsworth" <adamwadsworth(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message >>> news:GInun.194343$ti6.82338(a)newsfe24.ams2... >>>> "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:81ue48Fu7gU7(a)mid.individual.net... >>>>> Simon Dean <sjdean(a)home.cubeone.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding >>>>> much like >>>>> they were saying: >>>>> >>>>>> If that's true, that's quite disgraceful. They could easily be >>>>>> sold on >>>>>> to someone with a really really bad car, or perhaps given to >>>>>> some >>>>>> charities or something, even auctioned off. But stripped and >>>>>> crushed? >>>>> That was kinda the whole _point_ of the scrappage scheme... >>>> These green ideas eh? >>>> >>>> Next there will be subsidies for new boilers and solar >>>> power...........oh dear >>>> >>> Boiler Scrappage scheme just ended. We got one of the last >>> payouts.. >>> �400. >>> >>> Ta. >> >>Still waiting for my �400. >> >>The new boiler is great. > > Wait until it breaks down. > > I've tried to find a report on this I read last year. It recommended > keeping an older boiler if it was in good condition because newer > boilers, while more efficient, are more likely to break down. Some > have needed complete replacement after as little as 5 years. OK keeping the old one until you can't get the parts any more, parts were difficult last time it broke down. (our �400 cheque arrived this a.m.)
From: JNugent on 22 Apr 2010 17:31 Ian wrote: > "AlanG" <invalid(a)invalid.net> wrote: >> JNugent <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: >>> Ian wrote: >>>> "ARWadsworth" <adamwadsworth(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Simon Dean <sjdean(a)home.cubeone.co.uk>: >>>>>>> If that's true, that's quite disgraceful. They could easily be >>>>>>> sold on to someone with a really really bad car, or perhaps >>>>>>> given to some charities or something, even auctioned off. But >>>>>>> stripped and crushed? >>>>>> That was kinda the whole _point_ of the scrappage scheme... >>>>> These green ideas eh? >>>>> Next there will be subsidies for new boilers and solar >>>>> power...........oh dear >>>> Boiler Scrappage scheme just ended. We got one of the last >>>> payouts.. >>>> �400. >>>> Ta. >>> Still waiting for my �400. >>> The new boiler is great. >> Wait until it breaks down. >> I've tried to find a report on this I read last year. It recommended >> keeping an older boiler if it was in good condition because newer >> boilers, while more efficient, are more likely to break down. Some >> have needed complete replacement after as little as 5 years. > OK keeping the old one until you can't get the parts any more, parts > were difficult last time it broke down. That's what was happening to ours. In cold weather, when the heating was on, the system wouldn't supply hot water. Running a bath meant turning off the heating. The demand valve (if that's what it was) was no longer available as a spare part. > (our �400 cheque arrived this a.m.) They insist on paying us direct into the account - some time in the next 20 days, I think.
From: Mortimer on 23 Apr 2010 04:57
"Ian" <idh(a)henden.co.uk> wrote in message news:JvWdnRhWmfpiykzWnZ2dnUVZ8uWdnZ2d(a)brightview.com... > > Hmmmm..... surely if the boiler is actually heating water adequately, it > should do either DHW or CH or both.... the actual usage of the heated > water is directed by a midpoint 3port valve controlled by the programmer, > nothing to do with the boiler (other than that the valve turns the boiler > on, with the orange wire). My central heating system and the one in my parents' house both have two separate pipe systems, one for central heating and one for hot water. Each has a separate electrically-controlled valve, rather than having a single valve that directs water either to CH or HW (and may or may not split the water between CH and HW). Now all I need to do is to work out why my boiler consumes control circuit boards and needs the board replacing about once a year so it will reliably start every morning (when it's been off overnight) rather than aborting the lighting sequence and going in an error state that requires it to be manually reset (ie it doesn't even retry when the boiler next switches on the following day). Bloody Gloworm Micron - the central heating engineer said it's a very common problem. |