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From: Mortimer on 29 Jul 2010 17:19 "Harry Bloomfield" <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:mn.ed0c7da757f2e38d.106911(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk... > Tim Downie pretended : >> Well I suppose it depends on who "placed" themselves where but I would >> have said generally the onus is on the drivers in L2 to avoid vehicles on >> their left. > > The small car in L1 definitely seemed to place himself in the dangerous > blind spot. I agree it is up to those in L2 to make sure there is nothing > there, but if they could not see the car in their NS mirror.... If I am in L1 and I find myself gaining on a car in L2, and if I'm planning to come off soon, so it's not worth trying to overtake in L3 and then move back to L1, I will always try to position myself either far enough back that I'm visible in the L2 car's left mirror or else I'll draw dead level so he can see me through his left window - I try to avoid the in-between position where I'm in his blind spot.
From: Ian Jackson on 29 Jul 2010 17:41 In message <mn.ed1a7da7a95427fe.106911(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk>, Harry Bloomfield <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> writes >Ian Jackson pretended : >> If L1 was relatively empty wrt L2, and the small silver car was >>tending to be 'undertaking' the L2 traffic, the L2 drivers might >>understandably have been taken unawares when it sneaked up beside >>them, on their left. Nevertheless, they should not have tried to move >>to L1 without knowing that it was safe to do so. Being small and >>silver does not mean you have no right to exist! > >True, but experience suggests you take great care to avoid driving >alongside another vehicle, especially one where the driver might not be >able to see you in his mirrors. > >L2 was full of vehicles, there was good gap ahead of the silver car - >due to him always being somewhat slower upto speed than L2. Then he >would tend to match speed with the vehicles in L2, but alongside them >and in their blind spot. > >He really needed to be taught not to sit alongside and to always make >sure he wasn't in a blind spot, rather than using his horn so much in >panic. After it happened once, I thought the lesson might have been >taken on board. There will always be one driver who assumes it is clear >and changes back into L1 not quite so slowly as the three he blew his >horn at. > Are you really seriously suggesting that, every time there is a vehicle in L2, alongside a smaller vehicle in L1, the L1 vehicle ought to slow down (thereby allowing the L2 vehicle to creep past him), just in case the L2 vehicle suddenly decides to over into L1? I'm a great believer in 'defensive driving' and 'self-preservation', but while such evasive manoeuvres are sometimes necessary, I feel that having to do this on a regular basis is maybe carrying things a bit too far! -- Ian
From: Ian Jackson on 29 Jul 2010 17:45 In message <54q3565hr5bp79egqsduophj0cqrtkqm3d(a)4ax.com>, Anthony R. Gold <not-for-mail(a)ahjg.co.uk> writes >On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:58:54 +0100, Ian Jackson ><ianREMOVETHISjackson(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> In message <foe356t0slrr5s6fbfd93nhe0rjsam7ta0(a)4ax.com>, Anthony R. Gold >> <not-for-mail(a)ahjg.co.uk> writes >>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:07:20 +0100, "Tim Downie" <timdownie2003(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Well I suppose it depends on who "placed" themselves where but I would have >>>> said generally the onus is on the drivers in L2 to avoid vehicles on their >>>> left. >>> >>> I would have said that the onus is always on any driver in any lane >>>when they >>> either choose or are forced to move to any other lane. >>> >> I'm not quite sure what you are suggesting. > >That's hard to believe. Do you drive? > I have to confess, I've only been driving since I was 17. -- Ian
From: GT on 30 Jul 2010 05:21 "Harry Bloomfield" <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:mn.ed0c7da757f2e38d.106911(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk... > Tim Downie pretended : >> Well I suppose it depends on who "placed" themselves where but I would >> have said generally the onus is on the drivers in L2 to avoid vehicles on >> their left. > > The small car in L1 definitely seemed to place himself in the dangerous > blind spot. I agree it is up to those in L2 to make sure there is nothing > there, but if they could not see the car in their NS mirror.... But surely they pulled out of L1 to overtake the car, so how would they then 'forget' he is there in L1 before pulling back in after their overtake. I think the little car in L1 has just been unlucky (or lucky!). I might be missing something from the story, but it doesn't sound like he positioned himself in their blindspots, but they overtook him and then didn't use proper mirrors before pulling back into L1. One point though - its nice to hear that some drivers do return to L1 after finishing an overtake manoeuvre. Isn't manoeuveorurur a horrible word to spell for us English speakers!
From: Ian Jackson on 30 Jul 2010 05:35
In message <4c529977$0$12297$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, GT <a(a)b.c> writes > >Isn't manoeuveorurur a horrible word to spell for us English speakers! > Indeed. There are times when you actually wish you were an American. Fortunately, the sudden realisation of the enormity and horror of what you're thinking usually jerks you back to sanity. -- Ian |