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From: Ian Jackson on 31 Jul 2010 14:50
In message <mn.fc497da779487d95.106911(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk>, Harry
Bloomfield <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> writes
>Ian Jackson formulated on Saturday :
>> In message <Wd2dnWNY2urIW87RnZ2dnUVZ7omdnZ2d(a)bt.com>, Brimstone
>><brimstone(a)hotmail.com> writes
>>>
>>>"Harry Bloomfield" <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote in
>>>message news:mn.f9cb7da76f35771d.106911(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk...
>>>> Brimstone laid this down on his screen :
>>>>> "Harry Bloomfield" <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>message news:mn.f5797da79987e554.106911(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk...
>>>>>> on 30/07/2010, GT supposed :
>>>>>>> I don't agree with the statement about the silver car's 'bad
>>>>>>>positioning'. He was in the normal lane. Once the overtaking cars
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They were not actually overtaking, just both lanes drifting along
>>>>>>fairly similar speeds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they should have moved back over to the inside lane. Unless the
>>>>>>>silver car was playing 'silly buggers' and speeding up /
>>>>>>>slowing down, then the problem is much a far reaching 'bad lane
>>>>>>>etiquette' problem, rife throughout the UK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think he was varying his speed by much, none the less he
>>>>>>seemed always to be in someone's blind spot with plenty of gap
>>>>>>ahead of him to move into and remove himself from the danger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The inside lane is for everyone - the outer lanes are for
>>>>>>>overtaking. Move back to the inside lane when finished
>>>>>>>overtaking, even if you plan to overtake another vehicle in 40
>>>>>>>experience, driving on the continent for about 10 minutes shows
>>>>>>>how lanes should work - we just don't 'get it' in the UK!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree completely. How come L1 and L2 can be totally devoid of
>>>>>>any vehicles for half a mile, yet there is a very dodgy nose to
>>>>>>tail queue in L3 for all of that distance as happened three
>>>>>>times this tea time on the A1/M. It makes absolutely no sense
>>>>>>dangerous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do they all need to form a queue and make the delays so much worse?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Because they're all waiting for the sluggard ahead to get out of the way.
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate that, but why not use the other lanes so a safe
>>>>distance can be maintained?
>>>>
>>>Because they're all waiting for the sluggard ahead to get out of the
>>>way and they would lose their place in the queue.
>>>
>> The reason for the queue in L3 is quite simple:
>>
>> The 'sluggard ahead' in L3 (Car 1) is actually going very fast (say 90mph).
>>
>> Someone going even faster (Car 2, at, say, 95mph) comes up behind
>>him, expecting Car 1 to get out of the way (which indeed he should).
>>He comes up close behind Car 1.
>>
>> The 'sluggard' in Car 1 does not get out of the way. The Car 2 guy
>>behind realises that he is dangerously close, and slows down to 85mph
>>for a few seconds to establish a longer gap.
>>
>> Car 3 (at 90mph) is coming up rapidly behind Car 2, and is getting
>>too close. He realises that Car 2 has slowed, and does likewise (to
>>80mph, to widen the gap).
>>
>> Car 4 (at 85mph) now is coming up rapidly behind Car 3, and is
>>getting too close. He realises that Car 3 has slowed, and does
>>likewise (to 75mph, to widen the gap).
>>
>> Car 5 (at 80mph) now is coming up rapidly behind Car 4, and is
>>getting too close. He realises that Car 4 has slowed, and does
>>likewise (to 70mph, to widen the gap).
>>
>> Car 6 (at 75mph) now is coming up rapidly behind Car 5, and is
>>getting too close. He realises that Car 5 has slowed, and does
>>likewise (to 65mph, to widen the gap).
>>
>> Car 7 (at 70mph) now is coming up rapidly behind Car 6, and is
>>getting too close. He realises that Car 6 has slowed, and does
>>likewise (to 60mph, to widen the gap).
>>
>> As a result, Car 8, who had been pottering along at 70mph in L1, and
>>had been passed by all these fast guys in L3, has caught up with the
>>60mph Car 7 at tail end of the queue in L3. All the time, of course,
>>L2 has been empty.
>>
>> The question is, what does Car 8 do next?
>
>So remind me - why car 8 have need to pull out at all. Why doesn't he
>(and the rest of them) ease off if needed, use the left lanes and
>maintain a sensible gap? There really is no need for them all to pile
>into L3.
>
I never suggested that Car 8 (pottering along at 70mph, in L1) should do
anything. I asked what he should do next.
--
Ian
From: Mr Pounder on 31 Jul 2010 17:04

"Harry Bloomfield" <harry.m1byt(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:mn.ed1a7da7a95427fe.106911(a)NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk...
> Ian Jackson pretended :
>> If L1 was relatively empty wrt L2, and the small silver car was tending
>> to be 'undertaking' the L2 traffic, the L2 drivers might understandably
>> have been taken unawares when it sneaked up beside them, on their left.
>> Nevertheless, they should not have tried to move to L1 without knowing
>> that it was safe to do so. Being small and silver does not mean you have
>> no right to exist!
>
> True, but experience suggests you take great care to avoid driving
> alongside another vehicle, especially one where the driver might not be
> able to see you in his mirrors.
>
> L2 was full of vehicles, there was good gap ahead of the silver car - due
> to him always being somewhat slower upto speed than L2. Then he would tend
> to match speed with the vehicles in L2, but alongside them and in their
> blind spot.
>
> He really needed to be taught not to sit alongside and to always make sure
> he wasn't in a blind spot, rather than using his horn so much in panic.
> After it happened once, I thought the lesson might have been taken on
> board. There will always be one driver who assumes it is clear and changes
> back into L1 not quite so slowly as the three he blew his horn at.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Harry (M1BYT) (L)
> http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk


All of that from a man who bought a Rover.
ha


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