From: The Peeler on
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:04:51 +0100, Chelsea Tractor Man
<mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:38:39 +0800, The Peeler wrote:
>
>>>I'm surprised Range Rover drivers don't leave the price tag on the
>>>windscreen to let people know how rich they are,
>>
>> I wouldn't be surprised to find out that a large number of them are on
>> 3-year leases.
>
>common enough with cars although less so now the advantages of a company
>car are mostly gone.

The impression of affluence for a fraction of the cost!
From: Ed Chilada on
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:39:14 +0100, Chelsea Tractor Man
<mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>We have all see the sign "my other car is a Porsche", usually in a "banger"
>or modest car.
>But in commutable Essex yesterday (where else) on a new Range Rover Vogue.
>OK, I won't * it out, I reckon he was probably a banker?

Jeez, this is obviously a terrible crime, I can see why this would get
you so upset. Death's clearly too good for him.

From: Adrian on
Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

>> The impression of affluence for a fraction of the cost!

> Is it a fraction of the cost? If it was everybody would use leasing who
> now buys new and sells after three years. A RR Sport is over £700 a
> month to lease, that's £25,200 for the three years. The depreciation
> would be fairly similar for that period.

Indeed - but that forgets the cost of financing the rest of it. Certainly
one of the main benefits of a lease to a business don't apply to an
individual - moving the cost from capital expenditure on a fixed asset to
operating expenditure - but there's certainly a lot of people who
wouldn't want to tie £50k up in a depreciating car, but would be quite
happy to have a monthly direct debit payment.

It all comes down to the credit culture. And, I'm sure, a healthy degree
of innumeracy.

> The lease approach may be the best deal, depending on what other offers
> are available, but its never going to be a "fraction" of the cost.

"7/4" is a fraction... <grin>
From: The Peeler on
On 20 Jul 2010 11:45:38 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding
>much like they were saying:
>
>>> The impression of affluence for a fraction of the cost!
>
>> Is it a fraction of the cost? If it was everybody would use leasing who
>> now buys new and sells after three years. A RR Sport is over �700 a
>> month to lease, that's �25,200 for the three years. The depreciation
>> would be fairly similar for that period.
>
>Indeed - but that forgets the cost of financing the rest of it. Certainly
>one of the main benefits of a lease to a business don't apply to an
>individual - moving the cost from capital expenditure on a fixed asset to
>operating expenditure - but there's certainly a lot of people who
>wouldn't want to tie �50k up in a depreciating car, but would be quite
>happy to have a monthly direct debit payment.

Maybe they don't *have* 50K but like to pretend they do?
From: The Peeler on
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:51:08 +0100, Chelsea Tractor Man
<mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>On 20 Jul 2010 11:45:38 GMT, Adrian wrote:
>
>>> Is it a fraction of the cost? If it was everybody would use leasing who
>>> now buys new and sells after three years. A RR Sport is over �700 a
>>> month to lease, that's �25,200 for the three years. The depreciation
>>> would be fairly similar for that period.
>>
>> Indeed - but that forgets the cost of financing the rest of it. Certainly
>> one of the main benefits of a lease to a business don't apply to an
>> individual - moving the cost from capital expenditure on a fixed asset to
>> operating expenditure - but there's certainly a lot of people who
>> wouldn't want to tie �50k up in a depreciating car, but would be quite
>> happy to have a monthly direct debit payment.
>
>I'm sure there are. You have to look at the individual circumstances. When
>I last bought, they were offering big discounts and I had the cash in the
>b. society earning pitiful interest. Also I do not sell after 3 years, for
>somebody else a lease might have been better. My only point was leasing
>isn't a fraction of the cost. Its always going to be roughly similar,
>theres no free lunch.

700 a month isn't a fraction of 25K upfront???
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