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From: John Mayson on 15 May 2007 19:23 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gary V wrote: > And which regulations are you speaking of? European exhaust > regulations, while different from those in the US, are essentially of > the same magnitude of difficulty to achieve. The differences in > signals and lighting have minimal impact on cost. Those European > makers could certify for the US market if they chose to - and a number > of them have chosen to do so, after weighing the costs and benefits. > I thought the US had more stringent emissions and crash tests than they have in Europe. - -- John Mayson <john(a)mayson.us> Austin, Texas, USA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGSkDa2kz4fWh3iuERApdpAJ9+iRPaPs/BAm806qExRCfVTpF1wgCfXWEQ bHdHxV4tbRGSavbYYsb9IhQ= =XIZK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
From: Eeyore on 16 May 2007 03:49 hc23hc wrote: > Also in real terms: a gallon of gasoline, a gallon of milk or a pack > of cigarettes (take your pick, all going for $4+ a pop) are worse > quality and cost people more now than ever before. In what way is gasoline or milk for that matter 'worse quality' now ? You can keep your stinking cigarettes btw. Graham
From: Eeyore on 16 May 2007 03:50 Rudy Canoza wrote: > There should be no minimum wage at all. It destroys > employment and hurts poor people. LMAO ! Yes, they'd be so much better off on $3 an hour ! Graham
From: Eeyore on 16 May 2007 03:57 Gary V wrote: > Eeyore wrote: > > Gary V wrote: > > > Jeffrey Turner <jtur...(a)localnet.com> wrote: > > > > Brent P wrote: > > > > > > > There has always been a choice to buy cars with > > > > > better fuel economy. > > > > > > You don't have a choice if those cars aren't being made or are very > > > > expensive. > > > > > Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner! They would be very expensive. > > > > Well.... you could buy small European cars at reasonable prices were they not > > required to be changed to suit US regulations. > > Models such as? MB didn't import the smart to the US - because they > figured out that they wouldn't sell enough to make the effort > profitable. Because not enough people would want to buy them. They are about to start selling the Smart in the US actually. But the Smart isn't actually an especially good example. In any case it's a'cult' car rather than a routine model. Certain Peugeot and Citroen diesels have been capable of achieving 90 mpg ona run (UK gallon) for about 10 years now but US regulations discriminate against diesels. Plus US diesel fuel has only just become low-sulphur which was indeed a problem in the past. > And which regulations are you speaking of? European exhaust > regulations, while different from those in the US, are essentially of > the same magnitude of difficulty to achieve. That's not what I hear. The next generation Smart which you're going to get reputedly lost 10 mpg in meeting US regs. > The differences in signals and lighting have minimal impact on cost. The US heasdlamps regs are totally idiotic though and are a damn nuisance. In return you get poorer illumination. I think the bumper/fender regs are an issue too. They typically add weight for no good reason and that harms economy and is especially a performance/mpg hit for smaller engined cars. > Those European > makers could certify for the US market if they chose to - and a number > of them have chosen to do so, after weighing the costs and benefits. Only essentially 'executive' luxury models. Graham
From: Eeyore on 16 May 2007 04:00
hc23hc wrote: > Gary VD wrote: > > > > MB didn't import the smart to the US - because they > > figured out that they wouldn't sell enough to make the effort > > profitable. Because not enough people would want to buy them. > > > > And which regulations are you speaking of? European exhaust > > regulations, while different from those in the US, are essentially of > > the same magnitude of difficulty to achieve. The differences in > > signals and lighting have minimal impact on cost. Those European > > makers could certify for the US market if they chose to - and a number > > of them have chosen to do so, after weighing the costs and benefits. > > Bullshit. > > Here's another great car you can't buy here (or anywhere else now) due > to American automotive isolationism. > > 95.3 miles per gallon > 81g/km CO2 emissions > 0.228g/km CO emissions > 0.240g/km Nox emissions > 0.261g/km HC/Nox emissions > 0.0021g/km Particulate emissions > > 0-60mph: 14 seconds > Top speed: 106mph (where permitted) > Coefficient drag: 0.25 > > Weight: 930kg (empty) 1225kg (max) > > http://www.greenconsumerguide.com/audi_a2_tdi.php > > I wanted to buy one of those here in California in 2003. No way. > "Prohibited By Law" was the excuse. It just shows what you can do with a *1.2 litre turbo diesel* ! Does any US car have an engine that small ? Isn't that more the size you use on lawnmowers ? Graham |